I have seen it myself when younger. When they asked me to try it, I told them they were complete frigging idiots. Of note, is that all the kids playing that game were all drug users as well.
I have also heard over the years that the game persists, and has even killed/severely damaged a few.
It is no different that the plastic bag game, or choking sex.
idiots.
And you guys thought *I* was nuts.
I noticed you ignored my "they were using a mask" comment. Is this because it does not support your theory?Skipjack wrote:Both of which I have never met anyone doing or even trying.It is no different that the plastic bag game, or choking sex.
I have heard of it on TV, but that is as much as my experience goes and I have know a lot of drug users in my days.
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Every once in a while in the news you will see an article on some idiot killing themselves doing this stuff.Skipjack wrote:Both of which I have never met anyone doing or even trying.It is no different that the plastic bag game, or choking sex.
I have heard of it on TV, but that is as much as my experience goes and I have know a lot of drug users in my days.
I have a rule in life: If you can think of it, some idiot has already tried it.
The development of atomic power, though it could confer unimaginable blessings on mankind, is something that is dreaded by the owners of coal mines and oil wells. (Hazlitt)
What I want to do is to look up C. . . . I call him the Forgotten Man. (Sumner)
What I want to do is to look up C. . . . I call him the Forgotten Man. (Sumner)
As I said, it is a one in a million thing. The kind of stuff you see on TV, or read about, but never ever even know anyone that does that.Every once in a while in the news you will see an article on some idiot killing themselves doing this stuff.
I have a rule in life: If you can think of it, some idiot has already tried it.
Well, the sex choking thing, I have known a few of folks who tried it, and a couple that even liked it. (idiots).Skipjack wrote:As I said, it is a one in a million thing. The kind of stuff you see on TV, or read about, but never ever even know anyone that does that.Every once in a while in the news you will see an article on some idiot killing themselves doing this stuff.
I have a rule in life: If you can think of it, some idiot has already tried it.
The carotid artery thing I have seen being done myself and heard of others giving it a whirl since. (idiots).
Plastic bags, heard, but no first or second hand knowledge.
Like idiots seeking alternate highs, maybe more than we realize as we live our 'normal' lives amongst mostly 'normal' folk.
The development of atomic power, though it could confer unimaginable blessings on mankind, is something that is dreaded by the owners of coal mines and oil wells. (Hazlitt)
What I want to do is to look up C. . . . I call him the Forgotten Man. (Sumner)
What I want to do is to look up C. . . . I call him the Forgotten Man. (Sumner)
I think this explains a lot:
The PTSD Party
My co blogger thought:
Root causes my friends. Root causes.
I'm still waiting for the first condemnation (besides myself) of sex with liver.
The PTSD Party
My co blogger thought:
It is my belief that more than a little of this craziness is a response to PTSD. The above by my co blogger is a series of short life histories of guys like Josef Vissarionovich Djugashvili."M. Simon had a rather brilliant post about PTSD the other day, and rather than leave a comment I thought a new post was in order. "
“We must have done the right thing — look how far you’ve come!”
Root causes my friends. Root causes.
I'm still waiting for the first condemnation (besides myself) of sex with liver.
Engineering is the art of making what you want from what you can get at a profit.
That is my understanding as well. From what I have seen (never tried huffing or "bagging") kids do that from about age 8 or 10 until they are old enough to score pot. If pot is plentiful and cheap they rarely do that sort of thing again. As far as we know pot (without any other drug) has never killed anyone. In 5,000 years. Even if it has killed a few the death rate is much lower than for those trying to get high from oxygen deficiency.One has to wonder if they were huffing the He in order to gain some sort of dizzy spell buzz for lack of O2. It seems kids these days will huff most anything to see if they can "mind alter".
DEA Judge Young (now deceased) determined in uncontradicted court proceedings that the ratio of get high dose to lethal dose for pot is >40,000 to 1. i.e. you would need to smoke a ton in well under an hour. That ton would be much more dangerous if it was dropped on you.
For alcohol the ratio is 4 to 1. (.1% blood alcohol vs .4%) or 5 to 1 if the current .08% standard is used. That stuff can kill you. And does. About 1,000 Americans a year from overdose.
Harm reduction my friends. Harm reduction.
Engineering is the art of making what you want from what you can get at a profit.
Ok, but you once again skip the part about risk to others, and indirect risk.
Which in my opinion is the main point of the entire discussion.
What you are talking about (again) is direct risk.
Anyway, on the topic at hand, those kids were being stupid, they were augmented by drugs and alcohol use in their stupidity, and now a young girl is dead over it. A girl that died, as, according to her father saying what her friends told him, they egged her on to do something she initially refused.
Idiots. Now they will get to live with it for the rest of their lives. Second and third order effects to be sure. PTSD also for some probably, which in your argument means they will more likely seek drug use because of. But you ignore that this stress was caused/augmented by drugs and alcohol abuse in the first place. It is s self feeding monster.
Which in my opinion is the main point of the entire discussion.
What you are talking about (again) is direct risk.
Anyway, on the topic at hand, those kids were being stupid, they were augmented by drugs and alcohol use in their stupidity, and now a young girl is dead over it. A girl that died, as, according to her father saying what her friends told him, they egged her on to do something she initially refused.
Idiots. Now they will get to live with it for the rest of their lives. Second and third order effects to be sure. PTSD also for some probably, which in your argument means they will more likely seek drug use because of. But you ignore that this stress was caused/augmented by drugs and alcohol abuse in the first place. It is s self feeding monster.
The development of atomic power, though it could confer unimaginable blessings on mankind, is something that is dreaded by the owners of coal mines and oil wells. (Hazlitt)
What I want to do is to look up C. . . . I call him the Forgotten Man. (Sumner)
What I want to do is to look up C. . . . I call him the Forgotten Man. (Sumner)
Yeah. I left out traffic fatalities from alcohol intoxication which would have greatly skewed the results. Not in favor of alcohol.ladajo wrote:Ok, but you once again skip the part about risk to others, and indirect risk.
And the poor job performance of alcoholics. And the wife beatings. And bar fights. In fact alcohol is the only known drug that induces violence. i.e violence well above the usual rate (incidents per 100,000).
So yeah. That should be included as well.
Given your criteria alcohol should definitely be illegal.
Engineering is the art of making what you want from what you can get at a profit.
Or at least controlled, just like it is.
Maybe it needs more control. I can't argue that.
And Drugs definitely need to be controlled, probably more so than alcohol.
What is funny is that you cite the traffic issues. And the majority of those issues are by young folks that are either below the legal age, or not far above it. And, they are ALL breaking the law by driving while intoxicated.
So, it is illegal.
Now you want to add ease of access to drugs in to that mix, and ALL the studies indicate that the worst thing you can do is mix Alcohol AND Drugs.
Nope, your argument has always been based on selected isolated components, and you resist bringing them together in an aggregate, because when taken as a total, you see it falls apart.
I see the parts and the sum, and the sum is not good IMO. You focus to the parts that suit your argument it seems.
Maybe it needs more control. I can't argue that.
And Drugs definitely need to be controlled, probably more so than alcohol.
What is funny is that you cite the traffic issues. And the majority of those issues are by young folks that are either below the legal age, or not far above it. And, they are ALL breaking the law by driving while intoxicated.
So, it is illegal.
Now you want to add ease of access to drugs in to that mix, and ALL the studies indicate that the worst thing you can do is mix Alcohol AND Drugs.
Nope, your argument has always been based on selected isolated components, and you resist bringing them together in an aggregate, because when taken as a total, you see it falls apart.
I see the parts and the sum, and the sum is not good IMO. You focus to the parts that suit your argument it seems.
The development of atomic power, though it could confer unimaginable blessings on mankind, is something that is dreaded by the owners of coal mines and oil wells. (Hazlitt)
What I want to do is to look up C. . . . I call him the Forgotten Man. (Sumner)
What I want to do is to look up C. . . . I call him the Forgotten Man. (Sumner)
Yep. I want to add ease of access to the mix. For sure.What is funny is that you cite the traffic issues. And the majority of those issues are by young folks that are either below the legal age, or not far above it. And, they are ALL breaking the law by driving while intoxicated.
So, it is illegal.
Now you want to add ease of access to drugs in to that mix, and ALL the studies indicate that the worst thing you can do is mix Alcohol AND Drugs.
Kids have been reporting for 30+ years that illegal drugs are easier to get than alcohol.
Yep. You got me on that one. For sure.
Can you please tell me why you believe prohibited means unavailable? That has bothered me for years. How otherwise intelligent people fool themselves so easily with words.
Let me tell you the true meaning of prohibited: "distributed by criminals".
Now pray tell who is going to be the most careful about distribution to kids? Criminals or your local spirits shop?
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Now if you have been keeping up even the NIDA says addiction is a genetic disease. So right off the bat 80% of the population is going to have zero problems with drugs. And of that 20% half according to the NIDA will run into environmental conditions that will trigger addiction. What those conditions are the NIDA doesn't exactly say.
But it isn't hard to figure out. An event severe enough to trigger PTSD. Funny thing is there are many studies on using pot for PTSD. And even heroin has been suggested for the more severe cases. Catching the pattern?
My guess is that most dug use is for unrecognized PTSD. i.e. the drug taking is a symptom of PTSD in much the same way that opiate use might be a symptom of a broken leg.
Drug use bothers you? Fine. Work on a cure for PTSD. Or even better. Go after the major root cause in America. Child abuse.
Here are some clues:
Heroin
Engineering is the art of making what you want from what you can get at a profit.
Skipjack wrote:No, I did not ignore it. I simply did not deem it as strong evidence for your theory.I noticed you ignored my "they were using a mask" comment. Is this because it does not support your theory?
Have you ever heard of anyone doing the Helium squeeky voice needing a mask before?
Most people just breath in from a balloon. Who goes to the trouble to find a mask?
‘What all the wise men promised has not happened, and what all the damned fools said would happen has come to pass.’
— Lord Melbourne —
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