It Is The Sun

[MSimon]

Once the prohibition is removed the establishment will switch to advertising, popularization through movies, etc.

People are sceptical of advertising. When that advertising is "sold" as a culture war scepticism fades.

But I do think we would be better off if we switched people from alcohol and tobacco to cannabis. So I'm not against advertising.

And I'm not exactly clear about this "drug culture" you oppose. We already have a drug culture. Alcohol, tobacco, coffee. To name the big three.

[mvanwink5]

MSimon,
You can drink alcohol, coffee, and smoke tobacco all day long next to me and it has no effect on my brain, but light up that joint and its second hand smoke has an immediate and significant effect on my brain, and not an effect that I like. You can make all your medical claims and believe what you want to about cellular chemistry and nuclear receptors, makes no difference to me as I am not obliged to accept it; the subject is so much more complicated than you make it out to be. As I see it, smoke all you want, but light up a joint such that the fumes hit my nasal passage and it is a different matter.

I've brought up this distinguishing issue before, and yet, still I am against any prohibition by criminal laws as it is a terrible destructive approach to human behavior and should be reserved most especially for violent acts. The collateral damage of the criminal prohibition laws is incalculable. However, use of weed doesn't belong in the workplace, on the road, where children might be, in public, stores, entrances to stores or restaurants, etc. My direct experience though has been that some weed smokers have little care for the effect of the smoke on others and even take bizarre delight in trying to "F#@&" people up with the smoke. I know this a minority, but it is not unusual either. Furthermore, I realize some find great benefit from using it, medically, but it is not a universal solvent like you make out, and like all drugs there are complications.

It is a drug with profound physical and psychological effects that varies significantly from person to person. It's use requires responsibility and respect like all drugs, unfortunately judgement is also one of the things that can be impaired by its use. (There was one horrible death that occurred at work when I had admin duty one Sunday at the plant, and I will never get that smell out of my memory... I know because it occurred 20 years ago and the memory of the smell is still with me today).

So, try to go a bit easier on the glorification of MJ. Thanks.

[choff]

With reference to "Manufacturing the Deadhead" and "Weird Scenes Inside the Canyon", when I'm talking about drug culture needs to be stopped, I mean drug culture as social engineering/social control/mass mind control. The Soviets tried alcohol prohibition and they had to give it up because they needed the population drunk, otherwise communism would have been rejected en masse. You might have noticed my reference to pot as soma, they might be relaxing the drug laws not because they fail, but because now they want to use drugs as a last resort to control people.

The whole point is to control the individual by getting inside his head and messing with his mind. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you mentioned employment loss from a drug test. They probably could have busted anybody on the job site for the same or similar nonsense. Heck, they might have even been encouraging indulgence right up to springing the tests as a surprise. Same types might have even been the ones to turn you on to drugs in the first place. Your will and intelligence was too strong to be broken down by the drugs themselves, so they use the illegality of it to mess with you.

The people at the top, the ones who create the drug culture, don't promote them necessarily because they're greedy. They control the money supply, oil industry already. It's about social control, that's why you have to go after the people breaking the law on top of the food chain if you want freedom, otherwise, they'll keep right on messing with your mind.

[MSimon]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you mentioned employment loss from a drug test.

I have a condition called avoidant paruresis. I can't pee in a bottle on command. Since age 5. When the doctor needed a sample I had to take the cup home. It affects about 3% of the population. Despite being drug free (well that is a surprise isn't it), I can't pass a drug test. Thus I'm unemployable. So I have plenty of time to do research and get my message out. Ironic eh?

Since the Prohibitionists don't want me to work I have decided to take advantage of all the "freebies" I can get to supplement my social security. And piss off the "conservatives." Serves the Prohibitionists right.

As to the soma effect. What has been noted is that Holland with its "coffee" shops has a lower rate of drug use than America with its prohibition. If the "controllers" wanted to have maximum effect from soma they would do everything they could to maintain Prohibition. Fortunately they have "conservatives".

It seems that conservatives have no idea about how the world works despite their belief to the contrary. And I would posit that it is the conservatives being controlled by their hate. Which is free. Liberals are more discerning. They require "free" stuff.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment

the Holocaust perpetrators displayed an intense devaluation of the victims through a lifetime of personal development.

We have had the "hate dopers" campaign going on for over 100 years now. With the "hate pot heads" segment established for 77 years.

And what is required to make hate work? Deference to authority. Now isn't that a recipe for disaster?

[MSimon]

Well actually there are two hate campaigns going on.

Conservatives - hate dopers and liberals.
Liberals - hate the rich and conservatives.

The "controllers" do not control through drugs. They control through hate. It is why hate is considered a deadly sin.

And you will note that in "1984" Orwell prominently featured the "Two minutes of hate" campaign. He saw it. Too bad very few others can see it. And it is all covered up with "my hate is rational, yours is not". I am a one eyed man in the land of the blind. Bracing if lonely.

[GIThruster]

Conservatives - hate dopers and liberals.

You're kidding yourself to think dopers are worth the time and trouble to hate. We treat them like all criminals--unworthy of our time and consideration, as this is what they have made themselves. Hatred is an active thing. While most of us feel empathy for anyone who has so wasted their life as the average doper--of which you are an excellent example--they are certainly not worth hating. Mostly we just ignore you, same as we do litterbugs and tax evaders.

[williatw]

You're kidding yourself to think dopers are worth the time and trouble to hate. We treat them like all criminals--unworthy of our time and consideration, as this is what they have made themselves. Hatred is an active thing. While most of us feel empathy for anyone who has so wasted their life as the average doper--of which you are an excellent example--they are certainly not worth hating. Mostly we just ignore you, same as we do litterbugs and tax evaders.

You don't ignore them (dopers) you arrest/charge/convict/jail them to the tune of approx. 700K a year of mostly minority males. You lot don't think their unworthy of your time and consideration; Your actions (WOD) suggest more of a fanatical obsession with them. You lot practically foam at the mouth in anger at the idea of legalizing pot and ending the WOD. Actions speak louder than words, if you think they are beneath contempt or notice you wouldn't have created a massive expensive penal apparatus so you could jail/punish them.

[GIThruster]

None of that is true. They need to be jailed because their behavior will lead to far worse behaviors, and almost always does--almost no one is jailed just for smoking grass. They're jailed for what they're doing in addition to smoking grass. And it is all the other stuff--the robberies, the rapes, the fights, the crime that multiplies when you do drugs, that needs to be cut short.

You keep making up all this stuff about "you lot" hating and all, but several of my best friends smoke grass. One just left here. I don't make it an issue because he is in control of his life. He's one of those who has to limit his behavior because of the guys like Simon who cannot act responsibly around drugs. Simon is the one you have a complaint with. It's the abusers who have ruined it for the responsible users, not the WoD.

[williatw]

“Meteorologists Agree” It is “Going To Be Damned Cold!”…Early Siberia Snow Bodes Ill -



Projected snow cover by the ECMWF. Much of Russia will be already covered by snow, providing the ideal breeding grounds for a powerful midwinter Siberian high. See sunriseswansong.wordpress.com. - See more at: http://notrickszone.com/2014/10/31/comi ... hYfGs.dpuf

This cold winter development seems to fly in the face of one particular dataset, which claimed 2014 was on track to be “the hottest on record”. Swiss Radio here also reports on how Siberian snow can impact Europe’s winters:


The story is simple: the earlier snow covers the ground in Siberia, the colder it gets there at the start of winter. And the colder it gets in Siberia at the start of winter, the stronger and more powerful the Siberian high becomes in mid winter. And when the Siberian high is strong, then we get invasions of cold air masses. The winter will be cold.”

SRF adds that “one has to go back a few years” to find so much snow in Siberia this early. The SRF even links to a paper on the subject.

Massive Siberian snow also bodes ill for North American winter

weathersavior.com writes here as well:


The rapid increase of snow cover across Siberia in October usually leads to a potentially colder winter in the US due to a negative Arctic Oscillation. A negative AO will allow Arctic air to infiltrate the U.S and is one of the driving factors for snow lovers in the Northeastern U.S.”

Meanwhile, sunriseswansong.wordpress.com writes that the early Siberian snows are what is needed for “breeding bitter cold” and that Joe Bastardi says the current Northern Hemisphere snow cover for this time of year is the 3rd highest!

Finally Kirk Mellish writes that the “Eurasia snowfall is off to a record fast start, which is historically a harbinger of cold winters as shown by research by Dr. Cohen of MIT. It does not guarantee it, but makes it more likely.”

No one can know how the winter will really pan out, and other outcomes just can’t be ruled out. But one thing is sure: the present. And it is showing that the northern hemisphere winter is off to a really nasty start.

http://notrickszone.com/2014/10/31/comi ... bodes-ill/

[MSimon]

None of that is true. They need to be jailed because their behavior will lead to far worse behaviors, and almost always does--almost no one is jailed just for smoking grass. They're jailed for what they're doing in addition to smoking grass.

Well you will be so kind as to tell me of the worse behaviors evidenced in Colorado. Links please.

And don't you think they could be jailed for the worse behavior once it is evidence? Or is this a preventive detention kind of thing?

We know alcohol is the only drug proven to be associated with violence. Why not make that illegal and jail the users and sellers to prevent the violence? Or is this some kind of selective thing on your part? (prejudice)

And please explain why uber Drug Warrior Newt Gingrich went for decrim of not only pot but also heroin in California. Evidently he does not share your view.

Nice to see you getting your hate in the open. I am so looking forward to 2016 where the dope combine has plans for 8 more states. And you know the youth come out for Presidential elections. Making the odds even better than they were this year. Legalization did a clean sweep. And Florida only got 57+% in favor of med pot.

Reality does not match your view. Reality is unforgiving.

[GIThruster]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you mentioned employment loss from a drug test.

I have a condition called avoidant paruresis. I can't pee in a bottle on command.

If that were the case you would have been catheterized and the issue would have been solved, as that is the STANDARD treatment for paruresis which we should note is a phobia and therefore easily treated and cured. Paruresis is not an excuse for not working.

Your whole life is one long excuse for your drug habit, just as is the case with all drug addicts; and your excuses don't wash.

[MSimon]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you mentioned employment loss from a drug test.

I have a condition called avoidant paruresis. I can't pee in a bottle on command.

If that were the case you would have been catheterized and the issue would have been solved, as that is the STANDARD treatment for paruresis which we should note is a phobia and therefore easily treated and cured. Paruresis is not an excuse for not working.

Your whole life is one long excuse for your drug habit, just as is the case with all drug addicts; and your excuses don't wash.

Well since you know nothing of the subject I will enlighten you.

I asked for that. Begged even. The people giving the test would not do it. Those things have risk. Maybe they decided the risk was not worth what they were getting paid. I dunno. Maybe they were afraid I would sue them.

What I do know is that the American public has decided that the humiliation of being watched taking a leak is worth it to get a job. That test was the last straw for me. I have decided that sucking at the government teat is my best alternative. It gives me lots of time to study and rail against Prohibition. To some effect I might add.

The only drug habits I have are tobacco and coffee. Entirely legal.

BTW how does it feel being a shill for mass murder?

Cannabis cures cancer. Cancer kills 586,000 Americans every year. Every Prohibitionist is complicit in mass murder.

I am embarked on a campaign to make that meme part of the lingua franca. I expect it will take me about 6 months. Maybe less if I can get the lefties on board from the beginning. "Mass murderers" should be a bit more effective than "racists". And with more truth. I get tingles just thinking about it. You do have a defense. Obummer is one of the mass murderers. Have at it.

Have a nice day.

[choff]

Antarctic ice thicker than previously thought.

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/ ... rvey-finds

Checks off the only argument the alarmists had left that needed debunking.

[Diogenes]

You don't ignore them (dopers) you arrest/charge/convict/jail them to the tune of approx. 700K a year of mostly minority males. You lot don't think their unworthy of your time and consideration; Your actions (WOD) suggest more of a fanatical obsession with them. You lot practically foam at the mouth in anger at the idea of legalizing pot and ending the WOD. Actions speak louder than words, if you think they are beneath contempt or notice you wouldn't have created a massive expensive penal apparatus so you could jail/punish them.

I wish you would stop with the "Minorities are punished worse than everybody else." The Ugly truth is that about 13 percent of our population is committing about 40% of the violent crimes such as murder, rape and robbery.


People don't like to point this out because it's embarrassing and there is no way to spin it.


Here are the murders by age, sex, and race of the offenders for 2010. It is from the FBI, and therefore presumed not to be a Hate group intent on pushing propaganda.


http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/cr ... rtbl03.xls



If more Minorities are getting arrested for pot than are whites, I have this question to ask. Is it at a higher rate than are getting arrested for murder, rape and robbery?


I would assume it would be about roughly the same as arrests for those offenses.


Then again, I am told it is a common practice to plea bargain crimes down to lesser crimes of possession and such to win a conviction, so maybe even if it is higher, it is not conclusive.




I will further add, that I spent quite a bit of time in the Black drug underculture, and I will tell you that I personally witnessed quite a lot of stupid sh*t that was guaranteed to get someone arrested, and ever so often did.


I have several black friends that went to Prison (and one that was killed because he kept playing crack head games with dealers) because they did some stuff that at best can be described as "daring" or "gutsy" and at worst "foolhardy" or "stupid". If anything, i'm surprised more of them weren't caught.

[williatw]

I wish you would stop with the "Minorities are punished worse than everybody else." The Ugly truth is that about 13 percent of our population is committing about 40% of the violent crimes such as murder, rape and robbery. People don't like to point this out because it's embarrassing and there is no way to spin it.
Here are the murders by age, sex, and race of the offenders for 2010. It is from the FBI, and therefore presumed not to be a Hate group intent on pushing propaganda.
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/cr ... rtbl03.xls

Already aware that minority youth commit more violent crime per capita that wasn't the issue it was pot possession/use; it is roughly equal between whites and blacks but minorities are arrested/charged/convicted/jailed at much greater numbers than whites who use pot roughly the same,.

If more Minorities are getting arrested for pot than are whites, I have this question to ask. Is it at a higher rate than are getting arrested for murder, rape and robbery?

I would assume it would be about roughly the same as arrests for those offenses.

You may suppose assume whatever you wish; the data supports that minority youth commit more violent crime than whites per capita not that they smoke/use pot more, which is what is getting them arrested.

Then again, I am told it is a common practice to plea bargain crimes down to lesser crimes of possession and such to win a conviction, so maybe even if it is higher, it is not conclusive.

Doubtful if murder/rape are getting plea bargained down to possession of pot; possible that someone jailed for such (pot possession) isn't also guilty of more serious crimes (like murder/robbery/rape) that law enforcement doesn't know about when he is arrested for pot possession. My answer to that is do a better job of catching people for murder/rape/robbery by diverting police resources back to that rather than going after pot users.

I will further add, that I spent quite a bit of time in the Black drug underculture, and I will tell you that I personally witnessed quite a lot of stupid sh*t that was guaranteed to get someone arrested, and ever so often did. I have several black friends that went to Prison (and one that was killed because he kept playing crack head games with dealers) because they did some stuff that at best can be described as "daring" or "gutsy" and at worst "foolhardy" or "stupid". If anything, i'm surprised more of them weren't caught.

I don't feel sorry necessarily for someone of any race who does something stupid that gets themselves arrested by police; showing his Cajuns to his chums or some chick probably; but that doesn't mean I support the WOD, still don't. Sure lots of murderers/rapist/robbers drink to excess (probably more than pot smokers frankly); which of the two makes people more prone to risky/violent behavior like murder/rape pot or alcohol? Bet alcohol would win hands down but we don't mass arrest/charge/convict/jail the alkies do we? Probably one of the biggest reasons for the violence in the inner-city is gangs fighting to control the drug trade; add to that people driven (in their minds) to steal to get money to support their habit. People are just as addicted to booze (and cigarettes), but booze and tobacco are legal (and more harmful than you think pot is) & cheap so folks don't seem to feel the need to steal to support their habit. People addicted to prescription meds feel driven to rob pharmacies to feed their habit (or steal to get the drugs to sell to the addicted users); not like they have the alternative of simply buying it legal without a prescription at a reasonable price. Love the idea of how a person not in pain gets to decide how much pain meds you need to deal with the pain only you can feel; a health care professional pressured by law enforcement to cut you off or run the risk of him (the doctor) being labeled a enabler of the alleged "drug abuser", or maybe arrested for being a "pusher".