Christy Has Issues

MSimon · Post by **MSimon** » Wed Jan 20, 2010 3:50 pm

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http://spectrum.ieee.org/energy/environ ... mategate/0

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Tom Ligon · Post by **Tom Ligon** » Wed Jan 20, 2010 9:04 pm

Now there's a guy I can take seriously.

"economic development that creates the cleanest environments we have. You don't find clean rivers or clean air in the poorest countries."

Absolutely. See Haiti. Simon knows what I'm talking about. Hopefully I'll have an editorial shortened down to digestible form and posted at SIGMA's website soon.

MSimon · Post by **MSimon** » Thu Jan 21, 2010 1:07 am

Josh Cryer · Post by **Josh Cryer** » Thu Jan 21, 2010 4:37 am

Fair enough analysis, certainly a far cry from the knee-jerk positions I am regularly seeing from that side.

MSimon · Post by **MSimon** » Thu Jan 21, 2010 7:31 am

Josh Cryer wrote:Fair enough analysis, certainly a far cry from the knee-jerk positions I am regularly seeing from that side.

We have our newspaper scalawags. You have yours. (Revkin).

Josh Cryer · Post by **Josh Cryer** » Thu Jan 21, 2010 8:01 am

MSimon wrote:
Josh Cryer wrote:Fair enough analysis, certainly a far cry from the knee-jerk positions I am regularly seeing from that side.
We have our newspaper scalawags. You have yours. (Revkin).

Yes, but when Revkin is agreeing with Motl you know something is freaking up: http://motls.blogspot.com/2010/01/globa ... ay-on.html

When greenman3610 is agreeing with Motl you know the shit has hit the freaking fan: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDTUuckNHgc

(Motl told greenman3610 that he should die on his YouTube channel).

MSimon · Post by **MSimon** » Thu Jan 21, 2010 8:42 am

I know Lubos from e-mail conversations. He is interested in Polywell (although a sceptic).

And Lubos has the honesty and courage to state his views openly and even publish counterfactuals. Giving more credence to his honesty.

A far cry from Hide The Decline.

Josh Cryer · Post by **Josh Cryer** » Thu Jan 21, 2010 11:06 am

MSimon wrote:And Lubos has the honesty and courage to state his views openly and even publish counterfactuals. Giving more credence to his honesty.

He's hateful, and defends String Theory even though it is not falsifiable.

Going on to a guys YouTube page and saying he should die for telling the *truth* is despicable. This is precisely why the hardliners used his graph, as a sort of "ha-ha."

Betruger · Post by **Betruger** » Thu Jan 21, 2010 12:18 pm

Tom Ligon wrote:Now there's a guy I can take seriously.

"economic development that creates the cleanest environments we have. You don't find clean rivers or clean air in the poorest countries."

Absolutely. See Haiti. Simon knows what I'm talking about. Hopefully I'll have an editorial shortened down to digestible form and posted at SIGMA's website soon.

Yep, I was going to quote that same part for anyone who didn't click the link.

MSimon · Post by **MSimon** » Thu Jan 21, 2010 1:32 pm

Josh Cryer wrote:
MSimon wrote:And Lubos has the honesty and courage to state his views openly and even publish counterfactuals. Giving more credence to his honesty.
He's hateful, and defends String Theory even though it is not falsifiable.

Going on to a guys YouTube page and saying he should die for telling the *truth* is despicable. This is precisely why the hardliners used his graph, as a sort of "ha-ha."

Yes it is hateful. But the guy had bad experiences with socialism/communism when his country was in the Eastern block. And he sees climate hysteria as a socialist plot to control energy supples (i.e. modern life). If CO2 was really a problem planting trees and logging them is the cheapest way to reduce atmospheric CO2. Not shutting down the current energy system.

And nice to see he doesn't hide his biases.

BTW string theory is falsifiable. Just not at energy levels we are currently capable of.

And note: I'm in the more dimensions than four camp. I currently like seven. I interpret Lorentz geometrically. Two interconnected spaces where all points in both spaces are moving away from each other at the speed of light. i.e. a mass at rest is really moving at the speed of light.

But my math is not good enough to explore the idea in detail. And I have other interests.

MSimon · Post by **MSimon** » Thu Jan 21, 2010 1:48 pm

BTW the guy was not telling the "truth". He was expounding on received wisdom. i.e. a believer.

I'm a believer too. I place my faith in doubt.

Heh.

TallDave · Post by **TallDave** » Thu Jan 21, 2010 3:31 pm

BTW string theory is falsifiable. Just not at energy levels we are currently capable of.

Yep.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/String_theory

Many physicists strongly oppose the idea that string theory is not falsifiable, among them Sylvester James Gates: "So, the next time someone tells you that string theory is not testable, remind them of the AdS/CFT connection ..."[41] AdS/CFT relates string theory to gauge theory, and allows contact with low energy experiments in quantum chromodynamics. This type of string theory, which only describes the strong interactions, is much less controversial today than string theories of everything (although two decades ago, it was the other way around).

In addition, Gates points out that the grand unification natural in string theories of everything requires that the coupling constants of the four forces meet at one point under renormalization group rescaling. This is also a falsifiable statement, but it is not restricted to string theory, but is shared by grand unified theories.[42] The LHC will be used both for testing AdS/CFT, and to check if the electroweakstrong unification does happen as predicted.[43]

So we may know something fairly soon.

It's a very pretty theory with some startling correlations. I like LQG a bit better, but I'm holding out a small hope for Heim.

Josh Cryer · Post by **Josh Cryer** » Fri Jan 22, 2010 12:28 am

I should have said that even if LHC falsifies some subsets of String Theory, the whole cannot be falsified without technology far beyond what we have. So if the LHC falsifies those subsets, people will still believe String Theory is a good representation of reality.

And then there are parts of String Theory which can never be falsified under any technological circumstances.

Motl is still a very hateful person and it makes me lose all respect for him.

MSimon · Post by **MSimon** » Fri Jan 22, 2010 7:40 am

Josh Cryer wrote:I should have said that even if LHC falsifies some subsets of String Theory, the whole cannot be falsified without technology far beyond what we have. So if the LHC falsifies those subsets, people will still believe String Theory is a good representation of reality.

And then there are parts of String Theory which can never be falsified under any technological circumstances.

Motl is still a very hateful person and it makes me lose all respect for him.

He hates socialism. Not unreasonable if you grew up in the Eastern block with secret police.

He has never been hateful towards me. But I share his political biases.

djolds1 · Post by **djolds1** » Fri Jan 22, 2010 3:26 pm

TallDave wrote:It's a very pretty theory with some startling correlations. I like LQG a bit better, but I'm holding out a small hope for Heim.

There are a number of Left Field options or indicators beyond String Theology as GUT candidates. Heim (if accurate) is just a very mature version of LQG that got a 40 year head start. Woodward. HFGWs. And I'm right now looking at a left field 5D approach that is nearly as intuitively attractive as Heim and has Woodward's (Mach-Lorentz Thruster) endorsement.