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I am waist deep in AGW, my back is killing me, and there is another 18 inches of AGW on the way. I know, I know, weather is not climate, but I don't think you can convince my back of it.

seedload wrote:I am waist deep in AGW, my back is killing me, and there is another 18 inches of AGW on the way. I know, I know, weather is not climate, but I don't think you can convince my back of it.

Lucky you. You are getting instructed in AGW up close and personal. Me, I'm only knee deep in the stuff so I can still kind of step over the ..it, shovel in hand of course to aid in the debate.

I didn't realize we were due another ice age in my lifetime.

Aero wrote:

seedload wrote:I am waist deep in AGW, my back is killing me, and there is another 18 inches of AGW on the way. I know, I know, weather is not climate, but I don't think you can convince my back of it.

Lucky you. You are getting instructed in AGW up close and personal. Me, I'm only knee deep in the stuff so I can still kind of step over the ..it, shovel in hand of course to aid in the debate.

I didn't realize we were due another ice age in my lifetime.

We just got a nice dusting. A couple of inches.

I'm never quite sure about this 'weather' and 'climate' differential. AGW scientists have used it as an argument with me before.

I mean, if they weren't measuring the temperature of the 'weather' at the time, then what *were* they measuring? Surely there's no mistique to it - climate is the 'rolling average' of weather and so climate is, intrinsically, subjectively defined. A rolling average for a week, or a million years? Who's the judge?

The Winter Olympic organizers are trucking snow in to one of the mountains and putting down dry ice to keep it from melting. They wanted the greenest Winter Games ever and that's what they've got. They worry about things like rain and fog. Me, I'm just kickin back sittin under one of the local palm trees. I could really get to enjoy the AGW in Febuary.

Josh,

I don't know where you got this graph, but, why would the 'Global' average temperature rise during the Northern hemisphere's summer (and not the Southern summer)?

So is that part of the Child Cycle which is in a warm phase? Is it an adjustment? Or is it CO2? Or is it something else?

BTW Arctic Ice is increasing: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/02/09/p ... is-summer/

mad_derek wrote:Josh,

I don't know where you got this graph, but, why would the 'Global' average temperature rise during the Northern hemisphere's summer (and not the Southern summer)?

More land in the North. I believe the Northerners stole the Southerner's land and there needs to be redistributive justice.

The curve SHOULD be the other way. Aphelion (furthest from the sun) occurs on July 4th with ~7% LESS input than perihelion of January 3rd. The GLOBAL temperature should definitely show warmer in the northern winter, not colder. SOMETHING is hosed.

KitemanSA wrote:The curve SHOULD be the other way. Aphelion (furthest from the sun) occurs on July 4th with ~7% LESS input than perihelion of January 3rd. The GLOBAL temperature should definitely show warmer in the northern winter, not colder. SOMETHING is hosed.

Maybe the higher albedo from ice and snow counteracts the increase in energy input. It is a system you know.

mad_derek wrote:Josh,

I don't know where you got this graph, but, why would the 'Global' average temperature rise during the Northern hemisphere's summer (and not the Southern summer)?

Lovely. "Science" at its worse!

We should come up with *good questions* for AGW scientists, like; "Where, on earth, is the global average temperature rise the highest?" or "is it true that 50% of all temperature data indicates a lower rise of average temperature than actually claimed?" and then leave on "simmer" to cook.

I thought the global average temp was considered to be around 16C. Blimey, if they can't even tell if it's -16C or +16C then their science is worse than I thought!!!

mad_derek wrote:Josh,

I don't know where you got this graph, but, why would the 'Global' average temperature rise during the Northern hemisphere's summer (and not the Southern summer)?

It's alright, I'm sure that was just from the powerpoint shown to those of us living in the Northern Hemisphere, there will likely be a separate one for audiences from the southern hemisphere that reflects their summer in the global average.

And on a serious note, wow. That's a whole new level of cringe inducing 'data'.

Josh, whose data is that? What is its origin/provenance?