Didn't know our military forces were liberal/leftist... You can check the numbers your self if you like. I don't watch MSNBC, I just went by the public available documentation here: http://www.state.gov search Defense Spending by Country (search url wouldn't post)
As for my other noted stats such sa infant mortality from the CIA World Factbook, also available online.
So, your numbers from a neutral authoritative party?
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Oh thank God, the government is going to subsidize it. I was worried for a minute that someone would have to pay for it. But since the government has the giant fairy-dust bag filled with unlimited money, we won't have to worry about anything. Lucky for us they don't have to pay for that $600 billion in extra medical expenses through something like additional taxes.
Well they have been doing it all along whenever they cover the emergency cost of someone without healthcare at all. Now they will be paying at least some share into the pot even if it is subsidized, which is still more than nothing, wont you agree? Hu?
No Skipjack. The people getting free care will still get free care. They get it for free because they relatively speaking have nothing. They still have nothing.Skipjack wrote:Well they have been doing it all along whenever they cover the emergency cost of someone without healthcare at all. Now they will be paying at least some share into the pot even if it is subsidized, which is still more than nothing, wont you agree? Hu?
Thanks to the stagnancy of an overdrawn federal credit line, they are likely to continue to have nothing, and the numbers of such to increase.
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No Skipjack. The people getting free care will still get free care. They get it for free because they relatively speaking have nothing. They still have nothing.
You mean those that are on medicaid right now?
Those maybe. I am talking about the ones that previously had no healthcare at all. You know those 40 million...
We now know for what you are willing to enslave others.GIThruster wrote:Well, perhaps i should own one more time that I am actually in favor of a tax increase for the wealthiest 1%, but I'm also for a corporate business tax cut. We ca't compete in the global economy with the world's highest business tax rate. So I don't qualify as a party liner.
Seems obvious to me with the debt we have and the deficits we have, we have to get our house in order before we talk about more entitlements.
We used to be a country of free men. We are now a country of slave traders. Who are themselves slaves.
Engineering is the art of making what you want from what you can get at a profit.
The answer is not enslaving the rich. The answer is a government so small that there is nothing (or very little) to buy.Skipjack wrote:I see the tax on the superrich as a "lobbying tax". They use their wealth to steer politics for the rest of the popultion. They might just as well pay for the privilege to do so.
You are just a slaver at heart SJ. My condolences.
Engineering is the art of making what you want from what you can get at a profit.
Of course it is slavery. You are being forced to pay/work for some one else's benefit.Also this isn't about slavery or any some such nonsense.
You are so immersed in your slavery you don't even see it. My condolences.
Engineering is the art of making what you want from what you can get at a profit.
By law, as long as you meet "Veteran" status, they can not turn you away.MSimon wrote:Exited gracefully many years ago. So I guess in a real emergency I could go to a VA hospital in Chicago or Madison, WI. My experience from 25 or so years ago - nice people, lousy service. And they don't like dealing with 1 tour folks much these days. So I hear. Much less so than way back when - and they kinda discouraged one tour guys back then.ladajo wrote:Did you retire from the navy or quit?MSimon wrote:I have no health insurance. I'm screwed.
BTW SJ. If you were in business and the cost of healthcare was $5000 a year and the tax was $2000 a year if you dropped it what would you do?
I don't mind being a free rider on the government. I can screw all the folks that LIKE big government. A twofer.
You are so correct about ideological motives - look for a Dem wipe out bigger than 2010. I'd like to see the Republican nanny staters get their sails trimmed back too.
Meeting "Veteran Status" is pretty easy, you do not even have to finish a contract.
You already have health care, courtesy of the taxpayers.
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What I want to do is to look up C. . . . I call him the Forgotten Man. (Sumner)
Heh. ;-)ladajo wrote:By law, as long as you meet "Veteran" status, they can not turn you away.MSimon wrote:Exited gracefully many years ago. So I guess in a real emergency I could go to a VA hospital in Chicago or Madison, WI. My experience from 25 or so years ago - nice people, lousy service. And they don't like dealing with 1 tour folks much these days. So I hear. Much less so than way back when - and they kinda discouraged one tour guys back then.ladajo wrote: Did you retire from the navy or quit?
Meeting "Veteran Status" is pretty easy, you do not even have to finish a contract.
You already have health care, courtesy of the taxpayers.
Yeah. I knew that. But there are guys way more deserving than me. I'd rather do without than take anything from them.
Engineering is the art of making what you want from what you can get at a profit.
This is of course a nice pipe dream. There will always be enough government to make taxes necessary (or who is going to pay for the billions of defense budget?). You will also have troubles, real troubles with completely private police forces and other emergency services. Police forces in general. You will quickly end up with several militias under the control of a few people that are extorting "protection money" from the general public... I dont think anyone will want that.The answer is not enslaving the rich. The answer is a government so small that there is nothing (or very little) to buy.
Same with firefigthers. Who is going to pay them? How is this going to be organized? It is a nice dream, but it is impractical in reality. So since taxes are a reality, so will be a government taking them. The super rich are currently controlling the government already anyway. They are the slavers, or at least oligarchs by making everyone else do their bidding.
Considering that, they are being taxed way to little.
That is at least the way I see it.
Also and just in case some people here actually think that Obama is taxing the rich more. He actually has not undone the Bush tax cuts for the very rich. Just saying.
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In our Federal system police and fire etc. are local matters. Easier for the locals to watch. What concerns me is the Federales. There are more than a few departments not authorized by the Constitution. For instance there is no Drug Prohibition Amendment.Skipjack wrote:The answer is not enslaving the rich. The answer is a government so small that there is nothing (or very little) to buy.
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This is of course a nice pipe dream. There will always be enough government to make taxes necessary (or who is going to pay for the billions of defense budget?). You will also have troubles, real troubles with completely private police forces and other emergency services. Police forces in general. You will quickly end up with several militias under the control of a few people that are extorting "protection money" from the general public... I dont think anyone will want that.
Same with firefigthers. Who is going to pay them? How is this going to be organized? It is a nice dream, but it is impractical in reality. So since taxes are a reality, so will be a government taking them. The super rich are currently controlling the government already anyway. They are the slavers, or at least oligarchs by making everyone else do their bidding.
Considering that, they are being taxed way to little.
That is at least the way I see it.
Also and just in case some people here actually think that Obama is taxing the rich more. He actually has not undone the Bush tax cuts for the very rich. Just saying.
Engineering is the art of making what you want from what you can get at a profit.
For a very sound reason. In his first two years when he had the votes he was afraid it would further tank the economy - which it would have. You dry up the investment pool and you do not get investment. Unless you count Solyndra. Now with the House in the hands of the Rs he isn't going to get a tax bill through.Also and just in case some people here actually think that Obama is taxing the rich more. He actually has not undone the Bush tax cuts for the very rich. Just saying.
But his attacks on the rich - even though rhetorical - have dried up campaign donations from that sector of the economy.
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Engineering is the art of making what you want from what you can get at a profit.
Alright, the military then. That allone means hundreds of billions in taxes that have to come from somewhere.
The current tax situation (which is still unchanged) that has lowered the taxes for the rich and increase the tax burden on the middle class has done a good job at destroying the same in the past decades. I personally favor the middle class, as in contrast to the socialists and the conservatives, I do believe that the middle is what really carries a country (the socialists believe it is the lower/working class and the conservatives will tell you that it is the upper class).
The current tax situation (which is still unchanged) that has lowered the taxes for the rich and increase the tax burden on the middle class has done a good job at destroying the same in the past decades. I personally favor the middle class, as in contrast to the socialists and the conservatives, I do believe that the middle is what really carries a country (the socialists believe it is the lower/working class and the conservatives will tell you that it is the upper class).