Rand Paul On Islam

MSimon · Post by **MSimon** » Thu Feb 07, 2013 2:12 pm

http://reason.com/archives/2013/02/06/c ... ical-islam

Some libertarians argue that western occupation fans the flames of radical Islam – I agree. But I don’t agree that absent western occupation that radical Islam “goes quietly into that good night.” I don’t agree with FDR’s VP Henry Wallace that the Soviets (or Radical Islam in today’s case) can be discouraged by “the glad hand and the winning smile.”

Americans need to understand that Islam has a long and perseverant memory. As Bernard Lewis writes, “despite an immense investment in the teaching and writing of history, the general level of historical knowledge in American society is abysmally low. The Muslim peoples, like everyone else in the world, are shaped by their history, but unlike some others, they are keenly aware of it.”

Radical Islam is no fleeting fad but a relentless force. Though at times stateless, radical Islam is also supported by radicalized nations such as Iran. Though often militarily weak, radical Islam makes up for its lack of conventional armies with unlimited zeal.

ladajo · Post by **ladajo** » Thu Feb 07, 2013 4:29 pm

When will you learn to think for yourself?
Very sad.

MSimon · Post by **MSimon** » Thu Feb 07, 2013 10:05 pm

ladajo wrote:When will you learn to think for yourself?
Very sad.

Ah. I see. If I don't think like you I am not thinking for myself.

That is novel.

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Just a note - I was not endorsing Rand's position on this issue. Just pointing out that the isolationists may be starting to come to reality.

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Further note: when I was part of the 10% who wanted to end Prohibition I wasn't thinking for myself? And now that I'm part of the 50% who want to end Prohibition am I still not thinking for myself?

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Since you see so clearly my thought processes and know all the bits of information I have acquired perhaps you could tell me how to think for myself? What bits of information that I have acquired am I evaluating incorrectly. Give details.

choff · Post by **choff** » Fri Feb 08, 2013 7:51 am

The Soviets had the dogma of conquering the west before the invention of nukes. After nukes were invented they were stuck with a catch-22 situation, obey dogma, attack the west and get destroyed. Don't attack the west, don't get destroyed, but disobey dogma. Dogma suffered as a result, the inherent contradictions eventually reached critical mass and system collapse.

The lesson learned to use against Radical Islam, keep confronting them with Catch-22 situations. Islam was created before the advent of nuclear weapons and a lot of other things. Keep forcing them to either obey dogma and harm Islam or disobey dogma to preserve Islam, at the cost of subverting and diluting Islam. Eventually even the most zealous extremist will be forced to grow up.

ladajo · Post by **ladajo** » Fri Feb 08, 2013 2:38 pm

MSimon wrote:
ladajo wrote:When will you learn to think for yourself?
Very sad.
Ah. I see. If I don't think like you I am not thinking for myself.

That is novel.

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Just a note - I was not endorsing Rand's position on this issue. Just pointing out that the isolationists may be starting to come to reality.

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Further note: when I was part of the 10% who wanted to end Prohibition I wasn't thinking for myself? And now that I'm part of the 50% who want to end Prohibition am I still not thinking for myself?

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Since you see so clearly my thought processes and know all the bits of information I have acquired perhaps you could tell me how to think for myself? What bits of information that I have acquired am I evaluating incorrectly. Give details.

You do not think for yourself. You simply respout what others come up with and claim it furthers your core "anti-the man" agenda.
Frankly, every day you look and sound more and more like the Typical Angry Young Nuke. Your "I am smarter than all of you, and you know it" attitude is turning folks off. I for the most part have stopped reading anything you post in detail. Some I ignore completely. Not worth the time to see you spouting the same silly retreads over and over.

I think you have lost a bunch of others as well.

So much for your delusions of granduer and <sic>"I am destroying them! Watch Me! I am All Powerful!". In reality, you are but one hamster on the wheel. There are many hamsters, and many wheels. And they do not all turn the same direction.
For the most part, you are just alienating folks with your spam sessions and don't see it.

The funny part, really, is that you are a rank novice in Information Campaigning. Perenially stuck in the first phase. That should tell you something of your effectiveness.

MSimon · Post by **MSimon** » Fri Feb 08, 2013 3:15 pm

Frankly, every day you look and sound more and more like the Typical Angry Young Nuke. Your "I am smarter than all of you, and you know it" attitude is turning folks off.

To be sure. I have 70% public support for Medical Marijuana. A good base to start with to kill the Republican Party with this:

Medical Marijuana prohibition is a crime against humanity and a violation of the religious precept - heal the sick.

CB1 CB2

You have studied CB1 and CB2 haven't you? I started threads to help you. In case you want to be helped.

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Now the question is since you are so much smarter: how do you intend to prevent this from hurting the Republicans in the next two elections?

BTW libertarians are notoriously "anti the man". But it took them until '88 to get me to join in.

Now I understand your pain being allied with the man. And I understand your work to some extent and it seems you are doing it well.

But the landscape is changing politically. And I have had something to do with that. I raised 4 libertarians.

BTW wasn't it the great Republican President Reagan who was also "anti the man"? I believe he said "government isn't the solution, government is the problem". Roughly. I suppose it is too bad I took that to heart. I should have been thinking for myself.

GIThruster · Post by **GIThruster** » Fri Feb 08, 2013 7:08 pm

What you obviously don't get simon, is that the "in your face" attitude you have is counterproductive. Think about how that same attitide set the gay rights movement back decades during the 70's. Gay pride parades with people wearing nipple rings and leather in public left the average man with the sense that these were indeed emotionally disturbed people who were acting out, and should not be taken seriously.

In just the same way, you are acting out and should not be taken seriously. It was one thing many months or years past, that you made rational arguments in support of a very unpopular position. That's long past. Now you're acting out an obsession to force feed your viewpoint into every thread in this forum--no doubt because you've convinced yourself this is a holy crusade rather than what it is--the excuse to sit at home and let others feed your family.

When several people tell you that you're not acting reasonable, that they have lost respect for you and that you need to knock off what you're doing, you should listen to them. I will remind you that you and I got along just fine until you started force feeding me your bullshit on a daily basis and I had had enough. Now I look on you with pity, instead of respect. It's a terrible shame the way you've utterly wasted your life and the ironic thing is, every day you have the choice if you're going to continue to so waste it in the future.

Looks to me you're committed to self destruction and to the NON-MEDICINAL use of dope.

MSimon · Post by **MSimon** » Sat Feb 09, 2013 5:09 am

GIThruster wrote:What you obviously don't get simon, is that the "in your face" attitude you have is counterproductive. Think about how that same attitide set the gay rights movement back decades during the 70's. Gay pride parades with people wearing nipple rings and leather in public left the average man with the sense that these were indeed emotionally disturbed people who were acting out, and should not be taken seriously.

In just the same way, you are acting out and should not be taken seriously. It was one thing many months or years past, that you made rational arguments in support of a very unpopular position. That's long past. Now you're acting out an obsession to force feed your viewpoint into every thread in this forum--no doubt because you've convinced yourself this is a holy crusade rather than what it is--the excuse to sit at home and let others feed your family.

When several people tell you that you're not acting reasonable, that they have lost respect for you and that you need to knock off what you're doing, you should listen to them. I will remind you that you and I got along just fine until you started force feeding me your bullshit on a daily basis and I had had enough. Now I look on you with pity, instead of respect. It's a terrible shame the way you've utterly wasted your life and the ironic thing is, every day you have the choice if you're going to continue to so waste it in the future.

Looks to me you're committed to self destruction and to the NON-MEDICINAL use of dope.

Well of course I'm in your face. I object to destroying peoples lives over what they prefer to smoke. You may be surprised to know the in your face people are beating your side into submission. Prohibition will be a relic in another 4 or 6 years. And so will you. But of course I'm losing. Cognitive dissonance much?

Looks to me you're committed to self destruction and to the NON-MEDICINAL use of dope.

Well not personally but generally yes. It seems a better road than being an alcoholic like you and the rest of your cohort. Safer for the rest of us as well.

http://healthland.time.com/2011/12/02/w ... ic-deaths/

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A lot of people have trouble when the world they knew disappears. Ira Glasser discusses that here:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ira-glass ... 77280.html

I don't agree with much of his philosophy but he gets why change is hard on people not prepared for it.

A friend of mine and I were discussing that subject and the pain and howling coming from the progressive right these days. We came to the conclusion that they can't handle situations where they find out the eternal verities are no longer as eternal as they once believed.

I take sadistic enjoyment in feeling the pain of those who have inflicted so much pain thoughtlessly. Not that you will care or heed my advice but I would suggest repentance. It will ease your pain considerably.

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Nice to see you have come around on med pot. Maybe there is hope for you yet.

MSimon · Post by **MSimon** » Sat Feb 09, 2013 5:40 am

About 10 years ago I used to write for an online magazine "Sierra Times" now defunct. An ex-Sheriff and I got into it over pot use. He wrote for the magazine as well. After a week of discussion with what I knew then (a lot less than what I know now) I got through to him and it broke his heart to think of all the lives he had personally destroyed. I told him it was not his fault because he didn't know any better. It seemed to ease his pain some.

You my friend have known better for quite some time. What is your excuse?

You might look up the experiments of Stanley Milgram.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment

It is rather surprising what one human will do to another given the urging of the voice of authority. We are never far from being Nazis. In case you haven't noticed the right is particularly prone to the voice of authority. The men of "God" are particularly effective. All they have to tell you is to go after the ungodly and you follow blindly.

Alcohol prohibition was foisted on us by these "Godly" folk. The current prohibitions are no different. All they have to to is proclaim "xxx is of the Devil". You have heard of Demon Rum and Devil's Weed I suppose.

kcdodd · Post by **kcdodd** » Sat Feb 09, 2013 6:36 am

If you can't criticize the argument, criticize the person.

MSimon · Post by **MSimon** » Sat Feb 09, 2013 8:05 am

kcdodd wrote:If you can't criticize the argument, criticize the person.

I suppose you are right. Hitler was a right jolly fellow. He just got a few policies wrong.

MSimon · Post by **MSimon** » Sat Feb 09, 2013 8:10 am

Drug Prohibition is an evil policy. And at this late stage so are the people who support it.

Just so there is no mistake about my feelings on the matter.

KitemanSA · Post by **KitemanSA** » Sat Feb 09, 2013 2:03 pm

GIThruster wrote:What you obviously don't get simon, is that the "in your face" attitude you have is counterproductive.

This from the GIT? Wow. Pot? Kettle?

MSimon · Post by **MSimon** » Sat Feb 09, 2013 8:06 pm

KitemanSA wrote:
GIThruster wrote:What you obviously don't get simon, is that the "in your face" attitude you have is counterproductive.
This from the GIT? Wow. Pot? Kettle?

Well I take it as a compliment. Love? Hate? At least you noticed.

GIThruster · Post by **GIThruster** » Sat Feb 09, 2013 11:45 pm

Don't be absurd. I've never gone off on holy crusade. Kite takes any opportunity to be annoying because he's had his ass handed to him so many times in the past and can't get over it.

You need to pay more attention to what people write, instead of what people write about what other people write. You're the one who is making the statement that everyone who disagrees with your view of drugs "is evil". I have never thought pro-drug people more than hopelessly confused. Again, note which of us is on crusade. That'd be the troll who perverts every thread in the forum to suit his own twisted needs, who hasn't worked in 15 years and who thinks we all owe him a living. You know, the guy who hasn't supported his family since the 1990's. . .