NeoCon - Liberal Prog Dream... Big Military

[mvanwink5]

The one thing all Progs (NeoCon Republicrats and Socialist Liberal Democans) agree on is the biggest, baddest, alway engaged in conflict, military, that the world is our battle field. With Russia's defense budget 1/10 of the US, or Europe hanging on our Uncle Sam's military coat tail, the continuous propaganda is how unsafe the world is and really we need to spend even more on military just to keep up with the multitudinous and always growing threats. And what is our new biggest worry? Russia? And ISIS?

The world just can't make it without one more conflict with the good guys backed by Uncle Sam. And who are the good guys... today? (sarc in case it is not understood). Assad?

Right, I must be un-American to question our manifest divine destiny, in Obama's words of why America takes the lead in all world military conflicts, "It's how we roll."

[ladajo]

It is not about how much money they spend, and for the record I defy you to find a real "in the wild" number on how much these countries spend, it is about the willingness to use what they have.

These guys think that what they have is awesome after a while, and then they want it out.
One of the biggest keepers of peace over the last 70 years has been a fear of awakening the giant american war making machine. As this concept has faded, mostly due to demonstrated lack of will on our part, more and more idiots have been getting froggy, and gone hopping across the road.

An investment of major american force here and now will make a statement that will last for decades. The only answer to things like Putinadventurism would have been to bitch slap him in Georgia right at the onset of his dream to dominate. We also missed the opportunity to put him back in his place by not immediately and decisively deploying military force to Ukriane. Within five years, we will be faced with a major decision again regarding Tzar Vladimir, and I hope that we step up. Because if we don't, then the path to major war becomes shorter and shorter.

Don't even get me started about our feckless approach regarding China. They have fought several conflicts already, and will only escalate as they seek to feed the internal nationalist demon they have created while seeking to divert populace attention from the inadequacy of the government and corrupt power structures.

History repeats, and it is becoming more and more clear that we are repeating ourselves into another major conflict cycle. Anyone familiar with the small wars cycles will understand this.

It is not about silly conspiracy theories, it is about the future of all our children. And there are some nutjob megalomainiacs seeking domination power out there right now. At all levels.

[GIThruster]

I agree with Iadajo, but I also think we have gone too far in playing global police force. I don't see how American interests are served by getting involved in Ukraine. The people there are divided whether they should rejoin with Russia, and Europe isn't taking sides so why should we? This is not a case of people being indiscriminately slaughtered, which we've been perfectly willing to sit by and watch in Sudan for most of a decade now. So why get involved in Ukraine except that many of us, as well as many Russians, are still harboring cold-war annoyance for the other side. That is not what peace is all about.

The real failure here is in how we involve Europe and NATO. They're not willing to get involved in anything that doesn't affect them directly. Hence the slaughter in Sudan. Amazing what a fuss the press made over Iraq when Bush failed to get more countries involved, but OBama hasn't gotten anyone involved in a fight against ISIS and the press is silent. Just amazing.

[hanelyp]

The problem with king Barrycade the putz and the military is not just a reluctance to use the military against aggressors, especially those that present a threat to us and our allies, but a willingness to use military force against nations trying to keep the peace, such as Libya and the proposed support of the rebels in Syria. This military schizophrenia has to be confusing nations around the world on how best to not get the US military shooting at them.

[mvanwink5]

Of course, those locally that ally with the US have learned to ponder what happens when the US leaves them to the homeboy wolves? No, turn it to rubble then spend 1.5 trillion 'nation building' that we borrow from the Chinese, that is just the pinnacle and brilliant Neocon - LibProg dream, done under the guise of 'Tha's how we roll.' But Prog's have learned, these days we have gotten smart, if we don't invade and occupy (but turn the country to rubble as before), then our hands are clean and we can just leave the rubble - Israelis taught us that (Gaza). And that leaves the bombed to stone age country ready for an ISIS, requiring more bombing... and avoid those expensive nation building boots on the ground.

Neat. Keeps the military machine oiled and ready to go... don't use it, you lose it (can't argue with that logic already inferred). After all, it is a dangerous world.

And for the neocon fantasy imagined Putin's dream of empire and secret military conquest prep spending (with money he doesn't have), after a war, the economy of the conquered is shot (look at Ukraine), so you lose a trading partner, crime and refugees left, and it is lose - lose. In a modern world war leads back to the stone age. No, only in the dreams of Progs. On the other hand, Utopian minded dreamers like Islamist and Socialist / Neocon Progs believe in a one world government where of course with their wisdom, they are on top directing both what is accepted socially, environmentally, and whose group of cronies get the contracts funded by big hearted Banksters.

Somehow it will all work out and don't worry about that huge mounting national debt, just pass another continuing resolution and kick that can down the road.