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The best leaders are those their people hardly know exist.
The next best is a leader who is loved and praised.
Next comes the one who is feared.
The worst one is the leader that is despised … Lao Tzu

We are coming to a state where the leaders - once feared - are now despised. A breakdown is very likely to follow. The Mandate of Heaven is withdrawn.

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That's all nonsense. The best leaders are those who inspire others to follow through their honor and integrity. They set the example and others follow or not. This is why Taoism is so hopelessly useless. . .it's a bunch of pithy grabbers that seem the dictates of common sense but are very often wrong. True leadership is the result of spiritual qualities Taoism knows noting about. If you want to lead, you start by being servant of all. Jesus had it right. Lao Tzu was just pontificating off the cuff and really its amazing his stuff passes for religion.

GIThruster wrote:That's all nonsense. The best leaders are those who inspire others to follow through their honor and integrity. They set the example and others follow or not. This is why Taoism is so hopelessly useless. . .it's a bunch of pithy grabbers that seem the dictates of common sense but are very often wrong. True leadership is the result of spiritual qualities Taoism knows noting about. If you want to lead, you start by being servant of all. Jesus had it right. Lao Tzu was just pontificating off the cuff and really its amazing his stuff passes for religion.

Well Reagan was a leader some people wanted to follow. He intentionally shredded the 4th Amendment. The Supreme Court just ratified another move in that direction. Ignorance of the law does not invalidate a search by police. So if they make up a law they can start ransacking your house or auto. Or kill you if you think you are resisting a robbery. Because once upon a time no knock warrants were considered unlawful. Until Reagan. Now you have no idea if it is a home invasion by criminals or a home invasion by police.

They also passed asset forfeiture laws so you didn't even have to be convicted of a crime. Just suspected of one. Asset forfeiture is a line item in some police budgets. They prefer going after poor people since they have fewer means of legal resistance. Blacks are particularly targets.

And that explains why policing is held in such low regard in some parts of America today. Of course such policing was one of the grievances in 1776. Long forgotten.

So I'm going with Lao Tzu. The best leaders are those their people hardly know exist. Especially in a country like the US with a "leave us alone" tradition.