Not commenting on the extremism of anyone in particular, I agree with your sentiment. There is room for compromise. I am setting my level of compromise at 28%. 28% socialism. 72% capitalism. No big government.Skipjack wrote:Seedload, I cant do the math, I would have to look it up and check all the expenses versus the predicted income, etc.
If you did the math (thorowly) and it does work out the way you say, then this is a solution that I find very agreeable.
The problem with Msimon and co is that you are a moderate person whereas they are extremists. Extremists will never be able to compromise like you are. They have an all or nothing, black or white thinking. To them there are only two people, communists and libertarians. If you are not a libertarian, you are a communist in their eyes. They dont understand that there are inbetweens that can make much more sense than an extreme either way.
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jnaujok wrote:seedload wrote: A) Eliminate the Federal Income Tax
The Federal Government may no longer impose a personal income tax for the purpose of raising general revenue.
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And, as is currently, no hospital can refuse emergency treatment, for any patient, for any reason.
I like this proposal better, but I still see what I regard as flaws in it.
Skipjack wrote:Seedload, I cant do the math, I would have to look it up and check all the expenses versus the predicted income, etc.
If you did the math (thorowly) and it does work out the way you say, then this is a solution that I find very agreeable.
The problem with Msimon and co is that you are a moderate person whereas they are extremists. Extremists will never be able to compromise like you are. They have an all or nothing, black or white thinking. To them there are only two people, communists and libertarians. If you are not a libertarian, you are a communist in their eyes. They dont understand that there are inbetweens that can make much more sense than an extreme either way.
If the consensus among 2 women and 3 men is that the women will have sex with the men, if the women disagree are they extremists ?
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seedload wrote:I don't think you read my post right. I also suggested government regulations to support pre-existing conditions and portability and to lower costs through private competition. I just suggested some money be earmarked for you to use for paying for it. You personally. Your buy your own insurance. Employer mandated insurance goes away. The government is not running it.jnaujok wrote:Secondly, why do you want to put the government anywhere near your health care? The moment you open that door, they have the right to say to you, "Hey, you can't eat that hamburger. It's bad for you. You have to eat wheat germ and bran flakes." Because, when the government has to pay for your health care, then they can limit your freedoms to lower the cost of health care.
Regarding the rest of your post, I need to raise a lot more money for my plan than you do for yours so I think a sales tax is impractical for it.
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How about coverage to treat the people who have a serious psychosis about being forced to pay money for something they don't want?
What about the taxes demanded of us by the States? The Counties? and the Cities? I say no more than 10% for all of them put together, and D@amn them if they can't perform their NECESSARY functions on it.seedload wrote:Not commenting on the extremism of anyone in particular, I agree with your sentiment. There is room for compromise. I am setting my level of compromise at 28%. 28% socialism. 72% capitalism. No big government.Skipjack wrote:Seedload, I cant do the math, I would have to look it up and check all the expenses versus the predicted income, etc.
If you did the math (thorowly) and it does work out the way you say, then this is a solution that I find very agreeable.
The problem with Msimon and co is that you are a moderate person whereas they are extremists. Extremists will never be able to compromise like you are. They have an all or nothing, black or white thinking. To them there are only two people, communists and libertarians. If you are not a libertarian, you are a communist in their eyes. They dont understand that there are inbetweens that can make much more sense than an extreme either way.
I personally would rather see the Federal government completely out of the Direct taxation business. The Feds should collect their money from the States. Not the other way around.
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You mean like Social Security.Diogenes wrote: How about coverage to treat the people who have a serious psychosis about being forced to pay money for something they don't want?
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They tend to live in log cabins by themselves and are sometimes referred to as Hermits.Diogenes wrote:
How about coverage to treat the people who have a serious psychosis about being forced to pay money for something they don't want?
I like the p-B11 resonance peak at 50 KV acceleration. In2 years we'll know.
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Actually they are attending Tea Parties and are expected to rout the Democrats in the next election. According to the Democrats.Roger wrote:They tend to live in log cabins by themselves and are sometimes referred to as Hermits.Diogenes wrote:
How about coverage to treat the people who have a serious psychosis about being forced to pay money for something they don't want? :)
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Ha ha! A Funny.Roger wrote:They tend to live in log cabins by themselves and are sometimes referred to as Hermits.Diogenes wrote:
How about coverage to treat the people who have a serious psychosis about being forced to pay money for something they don't want?
You can't even do that nowadays. A friend an I often discuss the problems people would face if they tried to be a hermit on their own land, the Sheriff would come along and evict you for not paying your property tax. The system is structured to force participation at some level.
In any case, the most famous case of psychotic hermit is that of Theodore Kaczynski. Not quite right wing. I think he was out of Berkley actually.
As I said, I am not entirely sure that everything can be financed that way as you say, but if you can make it work. I would say you have a good concept. I see no problem with that. I dont need to have more socialism than absolutely necessary (of course the amount of that is always what people are debating about, ggggg).I am setting my level of compromise at 28%. 28% socialism.
Actually, I am framing it differently than what people are debating. If we are going to re-distribute, as I am afraid that we must inevitably do, then it should be percentage based, not dollars based. This is actually fundamental to why I think this is a better plan. When economies struggle, incomes go down, and revenue dwindles. But, the way we have things now, payouts in social programs go up. Kinda crazy system if you ask me. In my percentage based, minimal government, plan, if revenues decrease, so do the payouts.Skipjack wrote:As I said, I am not entirely sure that everything can be financed that way as you say, but if you can make it work. I would say you have a good concept. I see no problem with that. I dont need to have more socialism than absolutely necessary (of course the amount of that is always what people are debating about, ggggg).I am setting my level of compromise at 28%. 28% socialism.
Easy way to fix the federal government: limit it to the Constitutional limits:
a) eliminate Depts of Homeland Security, Education, Energy, and whatever else isn't specified.
i) "Homeland Security" is performed by the militia and armed citizenry. Ban all "gun free zones" including schools, post offices, airliners and airports.
ii) Transfer most assets and manpower of the US Army and Air Force to the state guard units, other than strategic nuclear weaponry.
iii) Active duty US Army and AF staff will only be training cadre and command staff until and unless Congress declares war.
iv) US Navy and Coast Guard must be funded from tariffs on imports of goods
b) eliminate income taxes on all state residents who opt out of social security and other entitlement programs.
c) Eliminate the Federal Reserve Act and require the US Mint go back to printing US Dollar bills, not Federal Reserve Notes. Reverse the lending mechanism so that in order for Federal Reserve system banks, or other chartered banks, to lend money into the economy "out of the inkwell" they must borrow that money from the US Mint and pay the government interest on those funds.
d) Cut the pay of congressmen to never be greater than the 80th percentile of the distribution of income among Americans. Limit their staff to 5. Restrict political donations for elections or other groups run by the congressmen or their staff to natural persons who are citizens of the US and are legally allowed to vote.
e) Half the land in the US is owned by federal, state, or local government, yet they complain of lack of revenues. Require they sell at least 1/3 of this land over the next 10 years to property-tax paying entities. Remove all bans on offshore oil exploration BUT mandate that any spills will be fined at a rate of 150% of the cost.
f) No organization that does not direct at least 75% of their net revenues to charitable public purposes (i.e. open to the public or on public land) may receive a nonprofit exemption from any level of government. This applies to hospitals, land trusts, fraternal organizations and covers profits taxes, property taxes, and sales taxes.
g) Health care: You have a right to life, not a right to health. Confiscating one persons wealth to pay for another persons health is slavery and is unconstitutional.
h) Immigration: Any border jumper may be shot by any law abiding citizen if found within 100 yards of the border. Otherwise they may be arrested by any citizen and all law enforcement officers are legally obligated to accept receipt when called of arrested illegals and process them for deportation. Any law enforcement officer who refuses to deport illegal aliens shall be stripped of their law enforcement power and may never hold a similar role in any state, federal, or local agency again. Any illegal alien who commits a homicide or rape shall qualify for capital punishment with restricted appeals.
i) Any congressman or state legislator who writes or cosponsors a bill which is later found by a court to be unconstitutional is thereafter disqualified for reelection or to hold any other office in the future unless they take and pass with a grade of A a semester class in constitutional law at any upper tier accredited university. Any elected official who employes an illegal alien in any capacity shall be permanently disqualified to hold office and shall be immediately impeached.
j) Transportation: gas taxes and tolls must be spent on the public road systems (likewise electricity used to charge electric cars must be taxed at a similar rate). Licensing of automobile operators legally only applies to those engaged in commerce (taxis, limos, trucks, buses, etc). Automotive insurance should not be legally required but may be mandated by parties financing an automobile purchase.
k) social security, welfare, etc are all soviet entitlement programs that should be privatized over a 10-20 year period.
a) eliminate Depts of Homeland Security, Education, Energy, and whatever else isn't specified.
i) "Homeland Security" is performed by the militia and armed citizenry. Ban all "gun free zones" including schools, post offices, airliners and airports.
ii) Transfer most assets and manpower of the US Army and Air Force to the state guard units, other than strategic nuclear weaponry.
iii) Active duty US Army and AF staff will only be training cadre and command staff until and unless Congress declares war.
iv) US Navy and Coast Guard must be funded from tariffs on imports of goods
b) eliminate income taxes on all state residents who opt out of social security and other entitlement programs.
c) Eliminate the Federal Reserve Act and require the US Mint go back to printing US Dollar bills, not Federal Reserve Notes. Reverse the lending mechanism so that in order for Federal Reserve system banks, or other chartered banks, to lend money into the economy "out of the inkwell" they must borrow that money from the US Mint and pay the government interest on those funds.
d) Cut the pay of congressmen to never be greater than the 80th percentile of the distribution of income among Americans. Limit their staff to 5. Restrict political donations for elections or other groups run by the congressmen or their staff to natural persons who are citizens of the US and are legally allowed to vote.
e) Half the land in the US is owned by federal, state, or local government, yet they complain of lack of revenues. Require they sell at least 1/3 of this land over the next 10 years to property-tax paying entities. Remove all bans on offshore oil exploration BUT mandate that any spills will be fined at a rate of 150% of the cost.
f) No organization that does not direct at least 75% of their net revenues to charitable public purposes (i.e. open to the public or on public land) may receive a nonprofit exemption from any level of government. This applies to hospitals, land trusts, fraternal organizations and covers profits taxes, property taxes, and sales taxes.
g) Health care: You have a right to life, not a right to health. Confiscating one persons wealth to pay for another persons health is slavery and is unconstitutional.
h) Immigration: Any border jumper may be shot by any law abiding citizen if found within 100 yards of the border. Otherwise they may be arrested by any citizen and all law enforcement officers are legally obligated to accept receipt when called of arrested illegals and process them for deportation. Any law enforcement officer who refuses to deport illegal aliens shall be stripped of their law enforcement power and may never hold a similar role in any state, federal, or local agency again. Any illegal alien who commits a homicide or rape shall qualify for capital punishment with restricted appeals.
i) Any congressman or state legislator who writes or cosponsors a bill which is later found by a court to be unconstitutional is thereafter disqualified for reelection or to hold any other office in the future unless they take and pass with a grade of A a semester class in constitutional law at any upper tier accredited university. Any elected official who employes an illegal alien in any capacity shall be permanently disqualified to hold office and shall be immediately impeached.
j) Transportation: gas taxes and tolls must be spent on the public road systems (likewise electricity used to charge electric cars must be taxed at a similar rate). Licensing of automobile operators legally only applies to those engaged in commerce (taxis, limos, trucks, buses, etc). Automotive insurance should not be legally required but may be mandated by parties financing an automobile purchase.
k) social security, welfare, etc are all soviet entitlement programs that should be privatized over a 10-20 year period.
The State Of Calif is going to owe some one a LOT of money for the natural oil seeps along its coast.e) Half the land in the US is owned by federal, state, or local government, yet they complain of lack of revenues. Require they sell at least 1/3 of this land over the next 10 years to property-tax paying entities. Remove all bans on offshore oil exploration BUT mandate that any spills will be fined at a rate of 150% of the cost.
There are a lot of prosecutors in the US who prefer scalps to perpetrators. Or at minimum don't care if they get a perpetrator as long as they get a scalp. I have a problem with this.Any illegal alien who commits a homicide or rape shall qualify for capital punishment with restricted appeals.
Unless there were an incentive system (bounty) to find wrongful prosecutions and convictions with prosecutors suffering the same punishment as the wrongfully convicted, I think this could be a problem.
i.e. hang the wrong guy and you wind up hanging. Focus their minds.
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