bcglorf wrote:MSimon provided some links before to support record Antarctic ice area in winter 2007. I wasn't able to find a hard reference in the article but google led me to some NASA data hosted at the University of Illinios, you can check it out [url=htp://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/current.area.south.jpg]here.[/url]
I was a little surprised to see MSimon make the claim that Antarctic ice area was at a record high since satellite data was available since he is usually so thorough and I'd not come across the fact earlier. I'm gonna punch the next guy that rants about how arctic ice melt is strong evidence for GW with that link, thanks(again) MSimon.
I have most people at a disadvantage since I'm nominally retired (until I get the Polywell call - or if I get the call). So I can spend 12 hrs a day studying what interests me.
I started studying the stuff at Climate Audit and it looked to me like the warmists were cooking the books to increase their access to funding streams.
Bad statistics, bad data, bad models. And a willingness to shade the truth (at best) convinced me that something was not right.
At this point I see CO2 as a dependent variable (which tends to some extent to be a positive feedback with a small contribution). All the hysteria depends on water vapor/clouds being a positive feedback mechanism. Latest data points in the negative feedback direction.
Which means you can probably divide the estimates by 3 or 4 and come up with a more reasonable number.
However, that is all moot if solar output is in a declining phase. Which appears to be the case.
We no longer keep crop reserves for the seven lean years because we thought warming would go on indefinitely. We are now seeing wide spread crop failures not to mention, significant political failures. (Zimbabwe).
In addition to keep food prices from rising many grain producing countries are restricting exports muting price signals. Which will prevent additional crops from being planted (commensurate with market signals). So the steps being taken will make matters worse.
All this will make starvation more wide spread. All from a series of stupid moves including using crop land to produce auto fuel. Which was done to reduce the CO2 footprint of autos. All for a scare which is very likely a fraud.
The warmists will have a lot to answer for when the truth becomes self evident to 70 to 80% of the population. It will discredit sloppy science (good) with a spill over into real science (bad).
Waves of stupidity are nothing new. It is human nature.
BTW the enviros used to hate nuke power. Not so much any more. They are even turning around re: oil companies. Better late than never.