Moller's Skycar Is Coming

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JoeP
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Re: Moller's Skycar Is Coming

Postby JoeP » Wed Jul 02, 2014 1:23 pm

I do not see the big advantage in having a car/aircraft hybrid.

A small personal VTOL aircraft is a fine thing to have. But if you have that, then driving on the road somewhere with it is not a very big plus.

Oh, sure, maybe due to laws or local restrictions on landing and takeoff I suppose you might have some problem wanting to launch and land in your driveway or parking garage in a dense suburb. So you might think: hey I want to land somewhere and then drive home on the highway.

However, if personal aircraft were to become as affordable as cars, then infrastructure could easily be adapted. For example, a neighborhood landing/takeoff parking area in a cul-de-sac for n-houses. Better to optimize for flying or driving because there isn't going to be a very good solution for the combination. Well, so long as anti-gravity devices aren't available and you have to rely on thrust and lift.

And this "Skycar" doesn't look at all like a car to me. Looks like a Cessna TTx with four smaller engines w/enclosed props. I would not be caught dead "driving" that aircraft down the interstate highway!

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Re: Moller's Skycar Is Coming

Postby williatw » Wed Jul 02, 2014 2:37 pm

JoeP wrote:I do not see the big advantage in having a car/aircraft hybrid.

A small personal VTOL aircraft is a fine thing to have. But if you have that, then driving on the road somewhere with it is not a very big plus.

Oh, sure, maybe due to laws or local restrictions on landing and takeoff I suppose you might have some problem wanting to launch and land in your driveway or parking garage in a dense suburb. So you might think: hey I want to land somewhere and then drive home on the highway.


The market at least initially would be in competition with Helicopters, not really your family car. Prices of 500K to a million are obviously more competitive with copters than cars, in spite of the name "skycar". It can do anything a copter can do with greater range, speed, safety, higher service ceiling. Picture a Helicopter that can land in a much larger range of places drive on a road to an ordinary gas station, refuel drive to a good take off spot and then fly away. A copter that (supposedly) wouldn't require a pilot's license to operate.

JoeP wrote:However, if personal aircraft were to become as affordable as cars, then infrastructure could easily be adapted. For example, a neighborhood landing/takeoff parking area in a cul-de-sac for n-houses. Better to optimize for flying or driving because there isn't going to be a very good solution for the combination.


Again competing with copters(or light planes like a Cessna) would be more your market for the Moller skycar, not actually replacing cars as such. Anyone who has 500K to a million to blow on a skycar (or helicopter) doubtlessly has an ordinary car(s) for their day to day uses. A plane you don't need an airport to land/take-off, that you can park at home, drive to where you can safely take-off. To say nothing of police/military uses; or a care flight skycar that can land anywhere, even drive a short distance after landing(or before take-off) if needed. Operate without a pilot's license. If 50K a year of these Skycars were being sold that would be huge for light aircraft but obviously an miniscule fraction of the 10's of millions of ordinary automobiles sold.

JoeP wrote:And this "Skycar" doesn't look at all like a car to me. Looks like a Cessna TTx with four smaller engines w/enclosed props. I would not be caught dead "driving" that aircraft down the interstate highway!


Doesn't look like a car because in spite of its name it’s not a car; it’s an aircraft that has the ability to drive on roads short distances like a car. Again think of it as a plane/copter that you can drive on the roads; competing (at least foreseeably) against light planes/copters not automobiles.

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Re: Moller's Skycar Is Coming

Postby JoeP » Wed Jul 02, 2014 3:39 pm

I'd rather drive to the local airport and take my chopper or light aircraft. If I had one. But that's IMO.

I also do not see any reason why there should not be a requirement for a pilots license either. It is an aircraft, and not an ultra-light or a glider, which IIRC are the types of vehicles that may be exempt from the licensing requirements.

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Re: Moller's Skycar Is Coming

Postby GIThruster » Thu Jul 03, 2014 2:42 pm

williatw wrote:It is anticipated that ground motive power will be provided through the wheels.


These are what we philosophers adoringly call "weasel words". "It is anticipated"? By whom? Is there or is there not engineering going to putting the wheels to work?

I personally highly doubt it. With the engines in nacelles, gearing them to the wheels is going to be a nightmare. Either they're working on this or not and these weasel words imply they are not.

Just saying, cool idea but never gonna come to market. There are just too many things wrong with the concept. If you want a real flying car, you want a microwave MET powered car.
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Re: Moller's Skycar Is Coming

Postby williatw » Fri Jul 04, 2014 5:02 am

GIThruster wrote:I personally highly doubt it. With the engines in nacelles, gearing them to the wheels is going to be a nightmare. Either they're working on this or not and these weasel words imply they are not.


I am sorry GIT...but you think that's the show stopper? Why would you need to have gears going from the motors in the nacelles to the wheels anyway? Let's see...the engines probably also run a generator (like a car's alternator) to run the craft's controls and computers if nothing else; wires to electric motors for the wheels, couldn't that be used to drive the vehicle's wheels? That would explain the relatively modest estimated road speed of <30mph. Hard to believe it would be that low if the power came from aggregate >700HP multiple engines.

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Re: Moller's Skycar Is Coming

Postby GIThruster » Sat Jul 05, 2014 3:41 pm

williatw wrote:
GIThruster wrote:I personally highly doubt it. With the engines in nacelles, gearing them to the wheels is going to be a nightmare. Either they're working on this or not and these weasel words imply they are not.


I am sorry GIT...but you think that's the show stopper? Why would you need to have gears going from the motors in the nacelles to the wheels anyway? Let's see...the engines probably also run a generator (like a car's alternator) to run the craft's controls and computers if nothing else; wires to electric motors for the wheels, couldn't that be used to drive the vehicle's wheels? That would explain the relatively modest estimated road speed of <30mph. Hard to believe it would be that low if the power came from aggregate >700HP multiple engines.


The engines I've seen do not have generators like what you're talking about. Surely, what you say makes the most sense to move the power from the engines to the wheels, but there is no evidence that ANY work has gone toward this effort to date. Just saying, the downwash is the killer for this. It is NOT an example of the kind of "flying car" people think about with the Jetsons, because of the downwash. You'll never see it come to market and if it does, it will only last a couple years before it goes belly up. Anyone who watches the experimental aircraft industry knows this thing is not gonna work.
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Re: Moller's Skycar Is Coming

Postby williatw » Thu Mar 24, 2016 11:40 am

Not a skycar but I don't care I want one:


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Re: Moller's Skycar Is Coming

Postby williatw » Thu Mar 24, 2016 12:13 pm

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Re: Moller's Skycar Is Coming

Postby williatw » Sun Jul 14, 2019 9:29 pm

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JB-10
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Piloted/Fully autonomous: Piloted

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JB-11
JetPack

SPECS


Empty Weight (lbs): 115

Max Thrust (lbs @ ISA)*: 530

Max speed (mph): > 120

Endurance (mins)**: 10

Fuel: Kerosene/diesel

Operating Ceiling (ft) 15,000

Piloted/Fully autonomous: Piloted

*Maximum thrust can vary depending on density altitude

**Endurance is dependent on pilot weight and density altitude


▸ Price



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(base price - current as of February 2019. Subject to indexed price escalation to delivery date, and options chosen. FOB Los Angeles, CA)



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Re: Moller's Skycar Is Coming

Postby williatw » Sun Jul 14, 2019 9:38 pm

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