Progressive Utopians and 'Global World Order'

[mvanwink5]

No one really thinks in terms of there being a ‘Global World Order’ ….. I mean what in the world would make a real person think in such terms. Only Marxist socialist utopian nut jobs use that language. That was my thinkin. But, now after this Yahoo news article, now I gotta grab a tin foil hat, I mean, what else can I think with this real life headline:

Russia 'undermining' global world order: US
http://news.yahoo.com/russia-underminin ... 13401.html

Did I miss something? NATO (proxy for the US military) advances on Russia against an agreement with Yeltsin, orchestrates a regime change in Ukraine to facilitate NATO expansion, then talks in Progressive Socialist terms of some ‘World Order’ being disrupted.

When will the media propaganda flood from US Prog Utopians just give it a rest and go back to smoking dope, drinking cafe coffee shop coffee, and arguing about the theoretical Marxist dream future? Maybe give the poor people a chance to live and work in peace, patch up the bullet holes in the neighborhood, worry about their money lender payments, and Abdula Akbar the Hun and their daughters running off to join ISIS?

[mvanwink5]

Meddling.
Police the world, making the world safe for democracy, war, proxy war, military foreign aide, rather fight on foreign soil than on home soil, protecting US interests...

What is the mission? When is it achieved? Is it achievable? How much will it cost in lives, in psychological and crippling injury, and in massive economic cost? Then... what happens after it is achieved?

Take the Iraq war. Saddam was kicked out, hanged, democracy put in place, trillions of US funds spent in the war and 'nation building,' US and Iraqis died (hundreds of thousands of Iraqi's?), and the tragic war wounded. Then we leave and Iraq unravels and ISIS happens. And US debt has taken on the trajectory of Greece's debt, only Greece is a tiny country, the US is not. Moreover, Afghanistan is the next to implode.

The point is that the current US Prog Utopian World Order foreign policy did not work as all it takes is 6 years of inconsistent policy and the Iraq war becomes nothing but a bankrupting tragic folly. But that is the nature of democracy, it is inconsistent, it can't support a 40 year project of 'World Order' and 'Nation' building. And look at what meddling in Ukraine has done to that country, and I don't buy the media blame game propaganda. It's just another meddling bloody US proxy war.

Democracies will never succeed in being the policeman of the utopian Prog 'World Order.' Not enough money, not enough time, no consistency, and ever present corrupting war profiteering. It takes a totalitarian to try, but even those guys, all of them have failed. Look at history.

Flaming ReProgricans and Utopian DeMarxicrats need to recalibrate their policeman of the 'New World Order' thinking.

[MSimon]

Well it started a long time ago with the US getting Drug Prohibition world wide. Look up the history of the Single Convention Treaty world wide and its predecessors.

Putin is KGB. He has to know how the narcotics treaties work. If he really wanted to break the West he would be undermining narcotics prohibition. It is the glue (paper) that holds the West together. Banks that launder Narco money discount it by 30%. Heck of a profit margin on bulk cash.

If you want to learn how Narco Dollars are the grease that holds the west together may I suggest you start here:

http://www.narconews.com/narcodollars1.html

http://www.narconews.com/narcodollars2.html

http://www.narconews.com/narcodollars3.html

It was written by: Catherine Austin Fitts is a former managing director and member of the board of directors of Dillon Read & Co, Inc, a former Assistant Secretary of Housing-Federal Housing Commissioner in the first Bush Administration, and the former President of The Hamilton Securities Group, Inc.

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You could also read McCoy - The politics of heroin in SE Asia. http://druglibrary.eu/library/books/McCoy/mccoy.pdf

It is not as if the information was difficult to find. It is that far too few care to connect the dots. Too crazy. Too upsetting.

[MSimon]

You might also like these Brit libertarians take on the situation.

Start with this comment. http://www.samizdata.net/2015/02/russia ... ent-674745

But read everything it is not too long. I'll start you with a bit from that comment.

(please don’t pretend that the Kiev crowd were and are not hoodlums back to and including the Orange caper of some years ago

Sorry you are full of shit on this one. I personally know people who were in the Euromaidan and they are not ‘hoods’ by any rational definition.

And let me give you my take from a later comment:

Mr Ecks
February 20, 2015 at 1:58 am

Putin is surely a bad guy but the animosity against him almost seems to be something personal…

I think the KGB has a very bad reputation.

BTW it wouldn’t be the first time in Russian history, that they misjudged a geopolitical situation.

Afghanistan comes to mind.

As to what “Shirtless” (nice) intends to accomplish? Get popular sentiment in his favor.

Pay no attention to the demos in this link. Too many flags to be spontaneous. But read down and look at the polling numbers. The Russian economy IS falling apart. So how to rally support? A nice desultory little war to “protect ethnic Russians”.

http://news.yahoo.com/thousands-gather- ... 53591.html

[mvanwink5]

Russia's fracking propaganda is undeniable, but the anti-fracking propaganda sources includes the Saudis, who also are massive financial supporters of the Bushies and Clintons (Clinton Foundation). George Bush had the geologic report on the Bakken oil field and never moved on it, it made no sense to me until later as I am slow.

Anyone who reads what passes as American 'news' and thinks they have a chance at propaganda free reporting though is slower than me, from all sides. Putin has a good understanding of the DeMarxicrats, they are as transparent as their slogans as Putin's predecessors wrote them and their playbook, so how can he not read them like a book? Ukraine made the mistake of trusting Barry, Clinton (as others have mistakenly trusted the Bushes.)

By the way, Libertarians see all statists as thugs, so I am unsure who is posing as 'Brit' Libertarians. Real people are the ones caught up in the Ukraine shootout - between two groups of thugs.

[MSimon]

Russia's fracking propaganda is undeniable, but the anti-fracking propaganda sources includes the Saudis, who also are massive financial supporters of the Bushies and Clintons (Clinton Foundation). George Bush had the geologic report on the Bakken oil field and never moved on it, it made no sense to me until later as I am slow.

Anyone who reads what passes as American 'news' and thinks they have a chance at propaganda free reporting though is slower than me, from all sides. Putin has a good understanding of the DeMarxicrats, they are as transparent as their slogans as Putin's predecessors wrote them and their playbook, so how can he not read them like a book? Ukraine made the mistake of trusting Barry, Clinton (as others have mistakenly trusted the Bushes.)

By the way, Libertarians see all statists as thugs, so I am unsure who is posing as 'Brit' Libertarians. Real people are the ones caught up in the Ukraine shootout - between two groups of thugs.

The libertarians are not so nearly monolithic on the avoidance of the use of military force as they once were. There is a significant fraction that is militant in that area. My guess is on the order of 25% or so. Let us not forget that our most libertarian President - Jefferson - had a nice little war with the Islamics. Paying off Islam was a rather large budget item in early US history. So there is precedent.

As to NWO - a rather ugly business. But I'd rather see the US running it than the Chinese or Russians. Those folks have no limit to the brutality they are willing to employ.

Resource extractors are broke. Oil is not going back anywhere near $100 a bbl. The price where most resource extractors beak even (not in fundamental terms but in terms of what it takes to support their totally socialist economies).

And the Pakis are none too happy with Saudi Islam.

http://news.yahoo.com/pakistan-terror-w ... 02930.html

In fact the Saudis have outsmarted themselves with their support of violent extremists.

And the Russians? The move into Ukraine has prompted Europe to start a move into fracking. I have read that the minimum selling price for fracked oil $40 a bbl. - actual marginal production cost is $20 a bbl. Of course new wells will not be drilled 'til oil is reliably above $60 a bbl. That means oil socialism is going to get strangled. Think about the Israelis becoming an oil power.

Ok. That is oil. I also see hints that Drug Prohibition is no longer a favorite of Western intel agencies.

What ever the NWO - and I'm more of the opinion that it is a confluence of interests rather than a conspiracy - the old formations are breaking up. Saudi Islam has outlived its usefulness. Oil prices have been capped for 40 to 100 years. Drug Prohibition is going down.

Europe? Islam is killing socialism. Very funny.

[MSimon]

Let me add that 40 years of Drug Prohibition has created a cohort that is 30% to 60% libertarian in outlook. Too funny. If ever there was a self defeating policy....

Saudi Islam has also created a very militant anti-Islam cohort. If ever there was a self defeating policy....

And our current pResident? Well he has created a very large anti-government cohort. For every person helped by Obamacare four or five have been hurt. If ever there was a self defeating policy....

And what is delicious and relatively unnoticed so far is that the Republican libertarian contingent is now the swing vote on many issues. They voted with Democrats to get Federal medical pot laws liberalized. And with the Republicans on Federal spending issues.

Overall I like the direction the country is headed in. And the world as well.

The only question in my mind is: Will the war with Islam go nuclear?

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Islamic State not just a Western problem, says top Russian spy
http://news.yahoo.com/islamic-state-not ... 44919.html

What is interesting is not the sentiment. It is that Russia does not consider itself Western.

[mvanwink5]

The problem with war by democracies is afterwards, that was a key point as there is no staying power. Also, war after war is bankrupting semi socialists which is what the Progs are. Even Russia has no long term interests in it as who will be able to pay for the oil, they need customers. How is Ukraine going to pay now? No, Russia was maneuvered into that conflict. Their weakness is demonstrated by their nuclear showmanship, that is plain for all to see. Shirt's off because of a small gun. That is always the case.

Europe is realizing though that they can't trust the US to back them, a tough issue for socialists that can't even afford their domestic promises. Greece is not done as the can is kicked down the road and the last time Europe was bailed out only by the US and that trick is growing thin...

As soon as the Progs run out of money here, the business of business will be what is important again. I'm not much for back yard farming, brown thumb and all.

Yeah, RepubliProgs know MariJ is a loser issue. I saw one really old RepubliProg on the news against it and it really seems stark the age of those for prohibition, one foot in the grave. One tough flu season the percentages will swing big. Anyway, tough times for the shield beaters and social Progs with all their Bush war gains lost to no staying power for Democracies.

Pakistan is the real issue for Nuclear, not Iran.

[MSimon]

Shirt's off because of a small gun. That is always the case.

LULZ!!11!!

Russia's mistakes are many but let me list a few:

1. Not becoming a Western power. They do miss their old glory. With an aging alcoholic population they can no longer afford glory.

2. Depending on extractive resources for a large fraction of their economy. If those extractions were feedstocks for something else they would at least benefit no matter which way prices went on anything.

3. Not taking the hint from the Chinese and going into consumer goods manufacturing. Or semiconductors.

4. Any country that does not have English as a first or second language is doomed. They should get over it.
#2 son teaches English to Russians in Moscow who can see the future and who can pay.

[mvanwink5]

Even Ann Coulter has lost her taste for boots on the ground saying drones and 'glassing' the earth or stay away. Name one Prog war success that didn't crumble into something worse? Funny how when you have to pay cash for war how a negotiated settlement is preferred. War profiteers are the only ones that benefit.

Writing is on the wall for toning down polishing world police brass shield. Calls for more middle east military involvement is a loser. Annie said don't want to lose your locks or get barbecued don't visit Syria, duh!

Shield beating and Social Progging is killing the RepubliProgs, only the looming debt, young paying for subsidizing old folk's monopoly overpriced med insurance premiums, Michelle's lunch menu and Prog dessert tax is competing for negative press.

And Am's are getting tired of Prog socialist propaganda and threadbare empty slogans. And socialism's show case, Venezuela!!!

[MSimon]

Paki nukes are aimed at India. They can't afford to get into the war with Islam. And their support of Saudi Islam as a counter to India is blowing back on them. I have read reports (beside the one I linked) that they are pulling back.

The Saudi's nuclear shield? Israel. Too funny.

However the Saudis overreached with Osama, the Taliban, and ISIS. For some once very smart geopolitical operators they have gotten very stupid. We will be at war with Islam as long as the Saudis continue to export their brand.

My take on Obama - Saudi Sunni. The break of nuke talks with Iran gives that away.

[MSimon]

Even Ann Coulter has lost her taste for boots on the ground saying drones and 'glassing' the earth or stay away. Name one Prog war success that didn't crumble into something worse? Funny how when you have to pay cash for war how a negotiated settlement is preferred. War profiteers are the only ones that benefit.

Writing is on the wall for toning down polishing world police brass shield. Calls for more middle east military involvement is a loser. Annie said don't want to lose your locks or get barbecued don't visit Syria, duh!

Shield beating and Social Progging is killing the RepubliProgs, only the looming debt, young paying for subsidizing old folk's monopoly overpriced med insurance premiums, Michelle's lunch menu and Prog dessert tax is competing for negative press.

And Am's are getting tired of Prog socialist propaganda and threadbare empty slogans. And socialism's show case, Venezuela!!!

Obamacare is the best gift from the socialists the Rs have ever gotten. A bridge too far.

I'm with Coulter on methods. Now if only she wasn't so stupid on Prohibition. If Newt "death for two ozs of pot" Gingrich can get it, why can't she? Pat Robertson can see it for that matter. You know who is being ill advised? The Pope. Healing used to be a Christian virtue. Evidently he fears mind alteration more. Dumb f.

As to the debts? Cannabis medicine fully exploited would go a long way to sorting out the debt. $1 trillion a year is real money. We could cut way back on Drs. and hospitals. Physical trauma would be the main remaining need.

There are other things coming. Home/hobby CNC and 3D printing will go very far in terms of product prototypes. For the big stuff the hobby guys can make miniatures. And DNA is just getting started.

If we can survive the next 18 months I'm optimistic. One day at a time.

[mvanwink5]

ISIL + Taliban is the next connect the dots which is why Pak has woken up, and ISIL salivates to get their hands on those. ISIL is as much about Hollywood as anything real. Those turkeys can't even run the local commode, they are good at only one thing, atrocities, and that gets old fast. Obama is right, as soon as the funding stops and we stop shipping weapons to them by proxy, they will fizzle. But just ahold of some Nucs! And that makes Pak the real target.

Don't believe your animal studies, I've said it before.

Widgets, blah, but give me an automated veg garden....

[mvanwink5]

DNA is 20th century thinking. Myopic.

[williatw]

Unpatriotic voters elect unpatriotic leaders

Should the electorate have to pass a patriotism test?



Former New York mayor Rudy Giuliani in September

Science fiction writer Robert Heinlein, in his famous novel Starship Troopers, envisioned a society where voters, too, had to demonstrate their patriotism before being allowed to vote. In his fictional society, the right to vote came only after some kind of dangerous public service — in the military, as a volunteer in dangerous medical experiments, or in other ways that demonstrated a willingness to sacrifice personally for the common good. The thought was that such voters would be more careful, and less selfish, in their voting.

Maybe because, as Robert Frank suggested in an underappreciated book some years ago, Passions Within Reason: The Strategic Role Of The Emotions, we don't want to be totally rational about things because, ironically, it's not rational to be too rational.

Imagine that you're thinking of getting married. Would you want a spouse who sticks with you for purely rational reasons, or one who forms an irrational attachment — let's call it "love" — that doesn't depend on rational factors?

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Most people would say the latter. A purely rational attachment is nice, but if things change — say, if you become sick, or unattractive, or broke — a rationally attached person might rationally choose to leave. A person who loves you, on the other hand, might stick around anyway, because being parted from you, even if some of your charms have vanished, would cause emotional pain, while helping you feels good.

Likewise, you'd like to hire an honest employee, one who will feel guilty about stealing from you. A rational employee won't steal if there's a danger of being caught, but an honest one won't steal even when he can get away with it, because if he does he will feel guilty, while if he resists temptation he will feel virtuous.

A person who is perfectly rational about costs and benefits, with no irrational constraints like loyalty or honesty (or patriotism), is a person who will lie, cheat and steal whenever he or she can get away with it. A sociopath, basically.

Since we can't keep an eye on everyone we deal with all of the time, we look for other traits, boiling down, essentially, to a conscience, that will ensure that they are more likely to act properly even when nobody's watching. And if that's important in a spouse or employee, it's also pretty important in people, like political leaders, who do a lot of things out of the public eye, and who are subjected to a much greater variety of temptations.

Thus, we want our political leaders to be patriotic, in the hopes that, whatever they are involved in, they will put the interests of the country ahead of their personal interests. Outward signs of patriotism are nice, but of course anyone can put a flag pin on a lapel, or place hand over heart during the Pledge of Allegiance.

Instead, just as we might trust a potential spouse or employee more if we knew that he or she had resisted temptation in the past, traditionally we look for signs that would-be leaders have sacrificed something for their patriotism, say by serving in the military, or otherwise putting themselves at risk for the country. We also look at their associations, behavior and general demeanor to see if they look like people who would feel guilty if they did something bad for the country, and virtuous if they did something good.

So that's why people care about patriotism in a president. Perhaps we need to pay closer attention to these questions where presidents are concerned, but perhaps we should go a step farther: In a country like ours, where voters reign supreme, it seems as if concern about the patriotism of rulers ought to also apply to voters.

Science fiction writer Robert Heinlein, in his famous novel Starship Troopers, envisioned a society where voters, too, had to demonstrate their patriotism before being allowed to vote. In his fictional society, the right to vote came only after some kind of dangerous public service — in the military, as a volunteer in dangerous medical experiments, or in other ways that demonstrated a willingness to sacrifice personally for the common good. The thought was that such voters would be more careful, and less selfish, in their voting.

So when the five-day wonder of questioning Barack Obama's patriotism is over, perhaps we should address another question: How patriotic is the electorate? And how long can we survive as a nation if the answer is "not very"? And we should proceed from there.

Glenn Harlan Reynolds, a University of Tennessee law professor, is the author of The New School: How the Information Age Will Save American Education from Itself.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2 ... /23842055/