Police Brutality Statistics

[GIThruster]

". . .a systematic organized ABUSE. . ." is still an abuse. The system is already built to deny this. If you have a way to improve it, improve it but stop the whining. This stuff is illegal. Most people never see anything like this. Your solution seems to be no police and that is as crackpot as can be.

[williatw]

"Your solution seems to be no police and that is as crackpot as can be.

Yeah sure it is, that's clearly what I was saying by posting examples of systematic police abuse fueled largely by the WOD (& terror). The suggestion (from you) that I meant it that way is as crackpot an idea as I have come to expect from you; as some here have suggested maybe you should just stick to Mach effect/rocketry type posts.

[MSimon]

According to Soviet laws on the books what went down in the Soviet Union was illegal.

Funny enough the laws didn't stop them and the homicides were justified.

Remind you of any country you are familiar with? Probably not.

[MSimon]

Two more bad apples:

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/vide ... oked-video

Footage captured on a dashboard camera shows police in Madison, Alabama, slam a grandfather into the ground, leaving him badly injured. Sureshbhai Patel, a grandfather visiting his family from India, was walking down the street when he was approached by the officers. As a result of the attack, Patel has limited movement in his limbs. An officer is facing an assault charge

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Let us see. What do you think it will be?

1. The officers feared for their lives
2. Furtive movement
3. He reached for his waistband
4. He didn't respond to commands

Justified of course.

[MSimon]

If you are innocent you have nothing to fear dept.:

A U.S. appeals court has ruled that a New York City police officer who criticized an arrest quota at his precinct was protected by the First Amendment.

The Manhattan court on Thursday revived Officer Craig Matthews' 2012 lawsuit claiming he was retaliated against for telling superiors at his Bronx precinct the quota had led to unjustified stops and arrests by officers.

http://news.yahoo.com/ny-police-officer ... 16173.html

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[MSimon]

The innocent have nothing to fear. It was just a big mistake:

A string of errors on the part of troopers with the Nevada Highway Patrol resulted in a humiliating and frightening experience last year for a couple from Washington cruising down the highway in their classic 1962 Chevy Impala.

Now, the couple, Robin and Beverly Bruins, have filed suit against the troopers and the Nevada Highway Patrol.

Trouble started for the Bruins when they were pulled over by a trooper after he initiated a “routine records check” on the car. When the check did not return a match, the trooper pulled the couple over, Las Vegas’ KLAS reported.

When the trooper ran the registration number which the couple gave him, he didn’t include a “plus” sign. The vehicle showed up as an expired registration for a 2011 Harley Davidson, as a dismissal of charges document explains.

That mistake was compounded when the trooper relayed the Impala’s VIN to a dispatcher who then mis-keyed one of the digits.

When the entry bounced back as a stolen vehicle from California, troopers then proceeded to badger Robin, forcing him to take off his shirt and kneel on the ground before ultimately arresting him.

http://news.yahoo.com/highway-patrol-er ... 19826.html

[GIThruster]

An officer is facing an assault charge. . .

Justified of course.

Are you grasping here, the fact you are contradicting yourself? The officers are being charged. So how is what they did "justified"?

I think you need to go live in Somalia for six months and see what a truly lawless country is like. Then perhaps you'll stop the incessant whining. I know plenty of cops who would never do such a thing and I know cops do such things. You don't judge the former by the later, just like it is not healthy to go around paranoid the way you are recommending.

[MSimon]

Well let us see. There is more from the above link. And it is so cute:

http://news.yahoo.com/highway-patrol-er ... 19826.html

“And it wasn’t until I had taken my shirt off and told to get on my knees and handcuffed and I said, ‘What’s going on? Do you think this car is stolen or something?’ And he said, ‘exactly right. And their car is going back to its rightful owner,’” Robin told KLAS.

After Robin was taken into custody, the troopers zeroed in on Beverly who was still in the passenger side of the vehicle. They commanded her to get out, but she was on crutches and struggled doing so.

As she went to reach for the crutches, a trooper is heard yelling, “Keep — we said keep your hands in the air and walk backward towards us!”

She was then handcuffed as troopers checked her background.

After Beverly’s record came back clean, the troopers un-cuffed her and asked her if she wanted to say goodbye to her husband. She asked why she would need to say goodbye, and the trooper said “well, he’s going to jail.”

“So I went over to see Rob and he’s in the back seat with no shirt on on, hands behind his back and tears are running down his face,” Beverly told KLAS.

The Bruins contend that Robin never should have been arrested, and that troopers were almost certain he was not driving a stolen car when they detained him.

Evidence of that was also captured on the dashcam recording.

“I tend to believe him,” a trooper is heard saying. “I mean I’m gonna run him before I make a determination…the guy comes back with possession…or a history of something like that. If he’s lying to me, that’s a different story. But, as of right now, I mean, he seems to be legit.”

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As to me reaching? Well we will have to see the results of the trial won't we? What do you want to bet he gets off? Especially if it is a secret trial (grand jury).

[MSimon]

Somalia? If things keep going in their current direction I won't have to move. Somalia will be coming to me. And I won't have to worry about random gangs. The government will have eliminated the competition.

[MSimon]

The innocent have nothing to fear. I read it here. Said by some very upstanding people. It must be true. My examples of otherwise notwithstanding.

[GIThruster]

Your examples are anecdotes and highly uncharacteristic of what is normal amongst 370 million people. This could happen every day, and it would still be far less common than people being struck by lightning. And this is what you don't understand, simon; your paranoia of the police does not come from the infrequent abuses. It comes from your illegal drug abuse. You have made yourself a criminal, and it is a rational response for all criminals to be fearful of the police. You are however, recommending your fear to others who are not criminals and there is no common sense in this.

I have no reason to be afraid of the police, and I'm not going to fock up my life with the paranoia you are recommending.

[MSimon]

It looks like the police are going to have to straighten up. Because citizens with video cameras have become ubiquitous.

There isn't much text so you have to go to the link and watch the video.

Eyewitnesses Capture Police Officers Using Questionable Tactics
http://news.yahoo.com/video/eyewitnesse ... 55572.html

Some comments:

they aren't cops. they are called the gastapo.

because no one polices the police except the police. they have become the new face of terrorism in this country.

The police are more of threat to Americans that ISIS is.

Good. Good! I feel it's good the cops, and their brutal methods, are under a public microscope! About darn time this kinda recording happens. They refuse to wear, or even to purchase, bodycams in most precincts, feeling it'll somehow exempt them from defending their brutalities in a court of law. That is, until bystanders pull out their phones and start recording them for evidence against them!

It is time for the police to get a dose of what they give

CONDUCT LIKE THIS HAS ALWAYS TAKEN PLACE IN MINORITY COMMUNITIES. NO WONDER BLACK PEOPLE HATE THE POLICE. When it happens to Whites, it get public attention.

criminals with badges are not there to serve and protect anything but to make money for the corporations that they work for.

until ignorant citizens stand up for their constitutional rights these thugs in law enforcement, their criminal accessorries in the corporate courts, and in politics will continue to defraud the citizens.

The states really should start coming down hard on these idiots some of these counties and cities hire. The penalties really ought to be extremely severe for ANYONE in the judicial or law enforcement sector, like double or triple sentences if convicted.

It could have been worse if they were black

It has become not just blacks police abuse. It's everyone. I cannot understand why this country cannot control its police, and why police are allowed to abuse and oppress innocent people in a supposedly free country

watch youtube vid's white people are beat down by police it's not just the blacks everybody is getting it

[MSimon]

The way to get this cleaned up is zero tolerance for this kind of behavior. No excuses. No secret trials of police. Hold the police to the same standard ordinary citizens are held to. End sovereign immunity.

[MSimon]

GIT fear of the police or fearless - neither will do you any good if you become one of their mistakes.

Lots of mistakes are abused. Some are beaten. A few get killed.

Especially don't be armed in a wrong house drug raid. That is often a death sentence.

But since you are innocent you can NEVER be the victim of a wrong house raid. (can you spot the inconsistency in that sentence?)

[MSimon]

We have commissions every 30 or 40 years about police misconduct. Wickersham, Knapp come to mind. And nothing changes. In rocket science we would look for root causes. What is wrong with the system?

You don't want to look. You just assume reliability can't be improved.