Skipjack wrote:Well, if you have ever been to the netherlands, particularily Amsterdam, you know that the only thing it got them was drug- tourism. They have a very high crime rate, they have more drug related crime and it just quite simply does not work. So they are actually thinking about getting out of this again, which is not as easy as getting into the mess. Obama was very wise to dismiss this topic very quickly. It is stupid, period.
The people you really have to watch out for are the alcohol tourists.
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But the Dutch are correct: just making consumption legal does not change the equation much. You have to make the supply legal as well or you attract a lot of criminals who are just in it for the money.
When America did alcohol prohibition, alcohol consumption was legal. Production was illegal. History records that there was no shortage of gangsters.
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Supply is legal there too. You can legally buy the pot in so called coffee shops and only there. In theory you are only allowed to consume it there too. Still that did not help anything. Also canabis makes people psychotic and a lot dumber if consumed over a longer period of time. I have seen it with my own eyes. Some even went into a state closer to a vegatble than a human (veeeeeery slooow and veeeery mellow). Anyway, I know why some libertarians want it legalized, so they can make profit of it, of course. Personally I regard this idea as disgusting. I would never want to have anything to do with a person like that. I also dont like gambling, btw. I think it is pretty much in the same cathegory.
Skipjack wrote:Supply is legal there too. You can legally buy the pot in so called coffee shops and only there. In theory you are only allowed to consume it there too. Still that did not help anything. Also canabis makes people psychotic and a lot dumber if consumed over a longer period of time. I have seen it with my own eyes. Some even went into a state closer to a vegatble than a human (veeeeeery slooow and veeeery mellow). Anyway, I know why some libertarians want it legalized, so they can make profit of it, of course. Personally I regard this idea as disgusting. I would never want to have anything to do with a person like that. I also dont like gambling, btw. I think it is pretty much in the same cathegory.
So where do the coffee shops get their supply? That end of the trade is illegal.
And yeah. The libertarians just want to make money selling vegetables that are as easy to grow as weeds. You have to wonder why they haven't taken over the carrot or tomato business already?
The deal is you don't like people who are running around stoned. Fine. Is that a reason to hand the business over to criminals and terrorists?
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Also canabis makes people psychotic and a lot dumber if consumed over a longer period of time. I have seen it with my own eyes. Some even went into a state closer to a vegatble than a human (veeeeeery slooow and veeeery mellow).
I think you're confusing the symptoms with the cause there. Some people have psychological problems that drive them to get high all the time. If you're high all the time, you're going to suffer intellectually. The same is true for alcohol use, of course, except in the case of alcohol you're probably going to die an early death too. Cigarette use is also a nasty psychological crutch.
The evidence says there is no health impact from moderate recreational use of mariujana. Even severe overuse has pretty mild consequences.
I hold to the Body Snatchers analogy because I see people go to such irrational lengths to defend using marijuana. I can guarantee any of you that if you spend one week in a Vancouver downtown eastside hotel, and every day you tour the local alleyways, your views on legalization will be severely tested.
choff wrote:I hold to the Body Snatchers analogy because I see people go to such irrational lengths to defend using marijuana. I can guarantee any of you that if you spend one week in a Vancouver downtown eastside hotel, and every day you tour the local alleyways, your views on legalization will be severely tested.
Yeah. And when I want to study alcohol I go visit skid row bums. Just by watching them you can tell if a glass of chardonnay is good for the average Joe. OTOH we figured that even if the glass of chardonnay is a bad thing putting the business in the hands of criminals was worse. But who knows? With every one getting subsidies these days why not criminals? Their families have to eat too.
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choff wrote:And in a Vancouver alleyway you can watch kids as young as ten OD.
Vancouver is retarded. In Chicago we watch 5 year olds OD. Great sport. Nothing I like better than to go to the nearest alley and watch kids OD. It has got to be bad for business though. Where do the next batch of customers come from? I suppose 3 year olds. Them dealers never check ID. Bas tards.
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Man, a 10 year old serial killer of prostitutes who overdosed in an alley while you watched? What will you Canadians think of next?
All that pot he was smoking in Vancouver must have made him insane. In fact you must have inhaled some second hand smoke. How do we know you aren't an insane pot crazed serial killer too? In fact that may explain perfectly our last three Presidents. Especially the current one. Definitely an insane pot crazed serial killer.
In America it is estimated that 5% of the population are regular pot smokers. That is 15 million people. And it has caused a serious outbreak of serial killing. There are now at least 100,000 insane pot crazed serial killers roaming the American streets. The country is a shambles what with 500,000 murders a year. You have to wonder where they are hiding the bodies though. Given that there are only 25,000 murders a year in America. Officially. I think we are witnessing a massive police cover up.
We are very lucky that only criminals can get drugs. It is too bad no one wants to try to correct the alcohol problem that way. Again.
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We don't just have pot in Vancouver, and I never said anybody OD'ed on it or committed mass murder on it. But hey, the Winter Olympics are coming to town. Think 'Wide World of Sports meets Dawn of the Dead.'
Actually I checked and about 450 Canuck gangsters have been killed since 97 over the drug trade, probably at least 3 times that may addicts have OD'ed in the same frame, and about 130 Canadian soldiers have been killed in Afghanistan. Which one do you think is worse.
THC causes cancer cells to go through a process called autophagy
This is very Freakkin huge, massive. Implications, man oh man. If THC can be used to reliably trigger autophagy in cancer patients, darn you could theoretically clean out dozens/100's of tumors from a near death bed cancer patient.
And you are spot on about regulating pot, this will create a good product, instead of some gang member willy nilly spraying whatever on his stash before he sells it.
SO all you bozos who missed this Simon makes a vital point, right now buying pot is like buying from a snake oil salesman. Bathtub Gin might make you blind, same problem.
I think the Libertarian view on pot is
"I will defend your right to smoke pot to the death". This is based on the rights on the individual. And is a fundamental view among most Libertarians.
I like the p-B11 resonance peak at 50 KV acceleration. In2 years we'll know.
Since you want to go on about bizarre coverups, here's a fun one, purely coincidence of course. Around Febuary 2001 I was having a Chinese New Year lunch with my Dad and Father-in-law. We got to talking about what kind of President Bush would be.
It was noted that during the campaign he showed up a lot at military bases and towns dependent on the arms trade. Since him and Cheney were both into Big Oil we joked that between six months to a year into term 1, he would hire terrorists from Afghanistan to drive planes into the World Trade Center, pin it on Saddam and invade Iraq.
My Father-in-law told me 50,000 people were in the WTC, so I told him it was a no go. 50,000 dead would make Americans so angry they would nuke the whole middle east. The required number would be between 2000 to 5000, with 3000 the optimum for invading 2 countries. Still, I had to admit they had already tried once to bring down the WTC.
Didn't remember the conversation again until Sept 14, found a small article in the middle of the newspaper where papa Bush admitted business dealings with the Bin Laden's going back 25 years.
choff wrote:We don't just have pot in Vancouver, and I never said anybody OD'ed on it or committed mass murder on it. But hey, the Winter Olympics are coming to town. Think 'Wide World of Sports meets Dawn of the Dead.'
Actually I checked and about 450 Canuck gangsters have been killed since 97 over the drug trade, probably at least 3 times that may addicts have OD'ed in the same frame, and about 130 Canadian soldiers have been killed in Afghanistan. Which one do you think is worse.
Obviously prohibition induced gang wars are worse than real wars. Ya gotta wonder why people pass laws that encourage that sort of thing? I suppose there is no accounting for taste.
I expect there would be fewer ODs if the people in question had access to pharmaceutical grade medicine and were under a doctor's care. I suppose some one has done a cost/benefit calculation and came to the conclusion that it was cheaper to keep such people out of the system.
Any way, I figure you Canadians will get it eventually. After all you guys are supposedly smarter than us Americans (on average) and we are figuring it out.
We have 14 med pot states and 13 decrim states. And California is thinking about legalizing the stuff.
With prohibition we have a drug + criminal/terrorist problem. With legalization we have a drug problem. Which do you think will be easier to solve?
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