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Skipjack
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Post by Skipjack »

Methinks thou dost began to see the light.
me thinks thou dost missunderstand me.
I meant "half of the shit we have to take from the EU would not have been possible (in Austria) had the people been allowed to vote on some decisions directly". Instead our dear politicians (at the forefront the fracking socialists) thought that it would be better to ignore the will of the people (who were demanding to have a say with a vote) because it would be "uneuropean" and "counter productive". I see.
Sorry but the more democracy the better in my opinion. I dont think that a few should be able to dominate the many, no matter what. As I said, you can go and do that in a dictatorship (ala Hussein, or Hitler) or a monarchy of some sorts, but these dont make for countries that I would want to live in.
Thing is, that we have it rather well here in our small country and that is definitely not because we are small (what a ridiculous assumption). We have NOTHING in our country. Not a single resource worth mining. Barely and farmland that is not hard to farm. Still, we do have a rather well working economy and a very secure social system. Noone has to worry about having to live on the streets ever.
IMHO this is something good. We do have problems in my country, yes, I admit that. I am on the forefront to critizise our politicians (particularily the socialists) for not only not fixing them but sometimes even denying them. That does not mean that our system is bad though.

seedload
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Post by seedload »

JoeOh wrote:
seedload wrote:
Skipjack wrote: Funny that you are the guys starting wars to bring just that to others (e.g. Iraq war).
Anyway, I see where you guys are going. I am just saying that I dont like it. My country had a monarchy before. It had its merrits (my family were barons), but I prefer a democracy and I believe that it is the fairest way to do things. Noone prevents the rich from moving to Monaco (a monarchy), or some other tax heaven. I guess though that there are some merrits to living on the US besides the "high" taxes for the rich...
So, I am out of this discussion now. I cant have a reasonable political discussion with people that want to be absolute rulers.
Hold on. "You guys are going"???? Only one guy here talked about not having an equal vote for everyone. ONE GUY. Not you guys, one guy.

Why do you think that people who argue for less government, more individual responsibility and against re-distributive justice are looking to control things in a monarchy. Seems quite the opposite to me.
Yea, I think I'm done here too. The views mostly expressed here on the right are too extreme to reason with.

The rugged-individualists talk about less gov't and more personal responsibility. When you shrink the gov't to the point of just being a feeble institution and not much use when you DO need the gov't when the a rugged individual screws you over.

I guess you are just going to shoot the person who screwed you without recourse when the re-emaciated constitution doesn't do you squat??
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Back on topic. Supporting the Constitution is not extreme.

Diogenes
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Post by Diogenes »

Skipjack wrote:
Methinks thou dost began to see the light.
me thinks thou dost missunderstand me.
I meant "half of the shit we have to take from the EU would not have been possible (in Austria) had the people been allowed to vote on some decisions directly". Instead our dear politicians (at the forefront the fracking socialists) thought that it would be better to ignore the will of the people (who were demanding to have a say with a vote) because it would be "uneuropean" and "counter productive". I see.
Sorry but the more democracy the better in my opinion. I dont think that a few should be able to dominate the many, no matter what. As I said, you can go and do that in a dictatorship (ala Hussein, or Hitler) or a monarchy of some sorts, but these dont make for countries that I would want to live in.
Where do you get this notion that a Republic is controlled by a few? MOST citizens pay taxes. The ones that don't are the one's we don't want to listen to anyway.

Skipjack wrote: Thing is, that we have it rather well here in our small country and that is definitely not because we are small (what a ridiculous assumption). We have NOTHING in our country. Not a single resource worth mining. Barely and farmland that is not hard to farm. Still, we do have a rather well working economy and a very secure social system. Noone has to worry about having to live on the streets ever.
IMHO this is something good. We do have problems in my country, yes, I admit that. I am on the forefront to critizise our politicians (particularily the socialists) for not only not fixing them but sometimes even denying them. That does not mean that our system is bad though.

It is good that you have a system that seems to work well for it's people. The United States has a much more difficult country to govern. We do not have a relatively homogeneous population, we have a wide diversity in population and habitats, and we suffer as much from the attitude that "one size fits all" as we do anything else.(The notion that because "That's the way we do it here. We must do it everywhere else exactly the same." )

Diogenes
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Post by Diogenes »

seedload wrote: <edit>
Removed paragraphs upon paragraphs of profanity, name calling, comments about trolling, and talk about why some people can't get jobs when they come off like whining <snips>.
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Back on topic. Supporting the Constitution is not extreme.

That was kinda my reaction too, but I thought better of it, as did you. I fear the young man is going to have a very hard life.

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Post by MSimon »

I guess you are just going to shoot the person who screwed you without recourse when the re-emaciated constitution doesn't do you squat??
Please explain the connection between tort law and the rights (supposedly) protected by the Constitution.

You seem to have a bad case of confusion of domains.

Try thinking clearly. My guess (and a wild one at that) is that you are either suffering from too many drugs or an insufficient quantity. Either condition is easily rectified.

Let me also add that Engineers tend (by a vast majority) to be of the Conservative/Libertarian persuasion. If that bothers you it would be wise to avoid political discussions with engineers. Most of them have spent a lot of time thinking about this and they will cream your @$$.

Liberals do not last long in these discussions. You are not the first to run away screaming.

Engineers are also really good with facts, figures, and logic. It is their job. You might want to improve your game before trying to score cheap points. Because it is hard to score cheap points on those who give and receive design reviews for a living. Design reviews have a level of brutality that you are no doubt unaware of. The really best engineers love giving and receiving such reviews. And the engineers on this board are some of the best in the world. I consider it a great honor to be accepted in such company.

Simon
Engineering is the art of making what you want from what you can get at a profit.

IntLibber
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Post by IntLibber »

JoeOh wrote:Ohh please, Conservatives are just as thieving too. Even more so with off-shore tax havens and the erosion of the American dream for the average worker.

Nice try-
LOL! Typical liberal BS, as if moving one's own property to another country is "theft". Screw you, its my money, not yours.

Jccarlton
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Post by Jccarlton »

More of the propaganda that Joe likes so much:
http://alfin2100.blogspot.com/2009/12/a ... omies.html

Jccarlton
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Post by Jccarlton »

Jccarlton wrote:More of the propaganda that Joe likes so much:
http://alfin2100.blogspot.com/2009/12/a ... omies.html
Still more:
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/polit ... 94522.html
Not looking so hot for the private sector:
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/little ... 2009-12-24
Small businesses are still ducking for cover in spite of the O's rhetoric:
http://blog.atimes.net/?p=1293
And the rest:
http://alfin2100.blogspot.com/2009/12/o ... y-let.html
Happy times ahead

Skipjack
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Post by Skipjack »

I am having a discussion about the actual amount of taxes paid by the US citizen compared to Austria with my company co owner here.
I was citing what you said about effectively paying only ~28% at an income of 100k USD.
He does not believe that. So can you get me something more solid as a data for my discussion?
I am curious.

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Post by MSimon »

You know JoeOh hasn't been back for a while. I wonder why.
Engineering is the art of making what you want from what you can get at a profit.

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