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Food allergies are a signal of unfitness.
For certain diets. I don't do milk or wheat well.
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rom City Journal:
http://www.city-journal.org/2010/eon0408hm.html

As far as I'm concerned the biggest harm that welfare does is that it keeps generation after generation incompetent and dependent. The poor, unlike previous generations don't learn because they don't have to. That is the trap. The problem is that this is unsustainable in the long run.

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This is so right:

Being 70 years old and from the working class, I can recall when the Chicago public school system taught children the skills and attitudes they needed in order to be productive workers and enter the middle class. It used to be assumed by teachers Chicago that EVERYBODY had to be taught the ethic that underlies the economic productivity and citizenship skills of the middle class of America. Since the 1970s, those at the university who educate teachers have abandoned that philosophy.

The philosophy that you could teach children how to become members of the middle class was developed by Hegel back in the early 1800s:

"Education [Bildung] is the transformation of the subject--more exactly, its self-transformation, though which it loses itself in an objective material which is not itself; makes itself at home there; and, in that it appropriates and becomes versed in what at first seems alien to it, finally recognizes itself, Spirit, in that alien form."

Leftists totally reject the notion of transcendence. Hegel describes a secular transcendence which we middle-class people undergo when we enter into the disciplines we love, whether the discipline is physics, business administration, English literature, floral arrangement, appliance repairs, or computing science. We end up being part of something larger than ourselves because we have interiorized objects and ways of doing things that originally were outside ourselves. In other words, by interiorizing the ways and objects of disciplines, we have transcended our own limited selves. Leftists REFUSE to allow poor people to engage in this process of transcendence by refusing to allow them to be initiated into the disciplines we middle class people prize and love. So poor people remain locked inside their own little subjectivities. To remain locked inside your own subjectivity is to live in a kind of hell.

When I was an academic in education, I found it impossible to get the articles I wrote on this topic published. There is simply no understanding in education of secular transcendence and no desire to learn about it. I believe they associate transcendence with the Christian right, which they hate.

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Having a girlfriend at one time going for a PhD in Theology and Personality, I was exposed to leftist academia and the rather peculiar conceit that THEY knew what was best for pretty much everyone when it was apparent (at least to me) that they had no concept of what life was like for people outside their rather insulated academic circles. (Heck, even competence with a screwdriver was considered suspect.)

One thing bandied about at one get-together I attended was that our public school system was very much dysfunctional in that the children were taught how to be mindless drones set up to work in factories, responding to authority with little question. I didn't say much - at the time I was kind of regarded as a research project by said girlfriend, a kind of 'homo stupidicus' to be studies by 'homo academius', but questioned briefly what they thought WOULD happen if the schools changed. I was referred to a number of alternative school concepts... which have since pretty much fallen by the wayside as being unworkable long-term.

But I never really got to thinking what WOULD their desired 'world' look like. Teaching children to reject outside discipline doesn't teach them how to internalize self-discipline - it simply fosters an undisciplined attitude that's destructive to any sort of society that depends on mutual cooperation.

Jccarlton - you said...
"Leftists REFUSE to allow poor people to engage in this process of transcendence by refusing to allow them to be initiated into the disciplines we middle class people prize and love. So poor people remain locked inside their own little subjectivities. To remain locked inside your own subjectivity is to live in a kind of hell."
The folks I was hanging with for a while looked on the middle class with a kind of revulsion mixed with... envy. They were materially better off, yet were to be pitied because they didn't realize just how much they were being exploited by their bosses.

Didn't earn any points for asking "Well, if I'm not paid by the bosses to be exploited, how am I supposed to earn a living?" Nobody really had an answer... The concept of actually earning a living seemed to be beyond them.
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JLawson wrote:Having a girlfriend at one time going for a PhD in Theology and Personality, I was exposed to leftist academia and the rather peculiar conceit that THEY knew what was best for pretty much everyone when it was apparent (at least to me) that they had no concept of what life was like for people outside their rather insulated academic circles. (Heck, even competence with a screwdriver was considered suspect.)

One thing bandied about at one get-together I attended was that our public school system was very much dysfunctional in that the children were taught how to be mindless drones set up to work in factories, responding to authority with little question. I didn't say much - at the time I was kind of regarded as a research project by said girlfriend, a kind of 'homo stupidicus' to be studies by 'homo academius', but questioned briefly what they thought WOULD happen if the schools changed. I was referred to a number of alternative school concepts... which have since pretty much fallen by the wayside as being unworkable long-term.

But I never really got to thinking what WOULD their desired 'world' look like. Teaching children to reject outside discipline doesn't teach them how to internalize self-discipline - it simply fosters an undisciplined attitude that's destructive to any sort of society that depends on mutual cooperation.

Jccarlton - you said...
"Leftists REFUSE to allow poor people to engage in this process of transcendence by refusing to allow them to be initiated into the disciplines we middle class people prize and love. So poor people remain locked inside their own little subjectivities. To remain locked inside your own subjectivity is to live in a kind of hell."
The folks I was hanging with for a while looked on the middle class with a kind of revulsion mixed with... envy. They were materially better off, yet were to be pitied because they didn't realize just how much they were being exploited by their bosses.

Didn't earn any points for asking "Well, if I'm not paid by the bosses to be exploited, how am I supposed to earn a living?" Nobody really had an answer... The concept of actually earning a living seemed to be beyond them.
My bosses don't exploit me. I exploit them. They give me money to play with fancy toys and have incredible challenges. What's not to like. Frankly any kind of work is better than not working. Just look at "dirty jobs." Have you ever seen anybody unhappy doing those awful jobs. The one question Progressives never seem to able to answer is, why do people volunteer to work? Even people who say they hate their jobs won't stop talking about them. Just start talking to a bunch of railroaders if you don't believe me.

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Wanting to advance is a trap.

Wanting to do something is liberation.
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One of the best programming minds I ever knew had a severe problem with self worth - he had no idea what his skills would bring, and also had the loyalty of a Japanese samurai. His best paying gig (that I know of) had him working for a distributor for $6 an hour in the '80s, and he'd given his word he'd work for that for a year, no bennies, no overtime and a half, and at the end of the year he'd be hired on at $80k a year with full benefits. During this time, he completely computerized the operation, wrote programs, created databases got their accounting department computerized - worked a hell of a lot of overtime - and then was fired at the end of the year. His services were no longer required.

During this time I kept urging him to look for other jobs, to use what he had as a springboard to better positions... but loyalty was very important to him and he figured if he showed loyalty to the company it would show loyalty back. He was somewhat disabused of that notion.

Me? I've been having fun with computers for nearly 30 years. And I get paid a fair amount for it, too. Novell CNA, got a good number of printer and hardware certs, never really studied for an MCSE. I've been making a comfortable living having fun - which is the best way to go, IMHO.
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DavidWillard wrote:
MSimon wrote:
Food allergies are a signal of unfitness.
For certain diets. I don't do milk or wheat well.
Be sure to fight over the steak first at the dinner table, then argue about the peas, corn, onions, and lastly the bread.

Maybe that's the problem, allergies are they way to discriminate innately that the food for the system are making you sicker at best? It's usually the body's way of saying, "enough is enough"

Metaphorically speaking in relation to another thread.
I have been sicker and sicker for 65 years now and someday something is going to kill me.

Natural variation.
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"Someone needs to pay."

The lifelong Tampa resident said she wants justice from the Hillsborough County sheriff's child protection team that took her kids away from her two years ago and from Hillsborough Kids Inc., which got her kids back six months ago.
"What do I do?" she said earlier in the day. "I have no answers. My family has been railroaded. Someone needs to pay.
"Nobody's helping me." . . .

This morning, inside the dingy motel room, Adams handed out a list of her children's names and ages. Across the top: "Three fathers. One Mother. Fifteen Children."
Ten of the children, she said, were fathered by Garry Brown, currently serving a five-year prison term for dealing cocaine. A sampling of his kids' names: Garry Nesha, Garry Brown Jr., Garry Lethia, Garryiell and Garry Rick. . . .
The 12 kids [currently living with Adams in a Tampa motel room] are the youngest of 15 altogether, she said. Three have "aged out," meaning they have turned 18 and are on their own, no longer a part of the child welfare system.
"I can have as many as I want to," she said. All her kids, she added, "are gifts from God."
The 37-year-old mother doesn't work. "This is my work," she said gesturing toward the bunch. "I do this all by myself. I don't know what I'm going to do. This is a revolving door going nowhere."
She said her problems began two years ago when Brown was arrested and the money dried up. Right after that her children were taken away and put into foster care over allegations of neglect, she said.
Hillsborough Kids stepped in and took the case, eventually returning the children to her and Brown. Before Christmas, the couple took a two-bedroom apartment off North Boulevard near Columbus Drive.
Hillsborough Kids agreed to pay the $800 a month rent after caseworkers inspected the apartment and, though a bit cramped, said it was OK.
But the landlord, who evicted Adams in March, thought differently.
Sandy Chiellini said Adams showed up to sign the lease with Brown and one child. She didn't learn until later that there were 11 other children. . . .
She said Adams' apartment was trashed. Clothes and food were scattered everywhere, screens were broken out. Chiellini began eviction proceedings. Adams failed to show up for two eviction hearings. . . .
"I need money," she said. "I need transportation. My children need a place to live."
Hillsborough Kids spokesman Elaine Olszewski said her agency has been working with Adams for months and there is a system of support at work behind the scenes.
Case managers have been in constant contact with Adams, Olszewski said.




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Another example that the gene-pool needs more chlorine ... /sigh

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Cultural and educational failures. Too much sitting on the USA's laurels.

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