MSimon wrote:The problem with all these laws and the people that support them is that the people are not following a rational course. They have no understanding. All they have is government fueled hate and fear. The government fuels the hate and reason goes out the door.KitemanSA wrote:Anyone with an ounce or more of functional brains.Diogenes wrote: As a friend of mine pointed out, the South American Indians Chew the coca leaf. The quantities they get from this practice are minuscule and not excessively dangerous. Who would have thought that some blame fool would decide to concentrate this crap and turn it into a deadly addictive poison?
When they made the coca leaf illegal, a more compact, powerful form was bound to follow. It happens every time a mild version of a drug is made illegal. Happened with opium and coca leaf and is happening with MJ too. If coffee is made illegal, folks will be ODing on caffiene pills. Same with tobacco and nicotine patches.
A prime example is how whoever got D to believe in a "killer" strain of pot.
Read what I said. I said that I've seen references of concern for such a thing. I made no statement asserting I believe it. I would say the same for "Red Mercury." I've seen references to it, I have made no statements asserting I believe in it.
Isn't accuracy and precision a virtue in engineering?
MSimon wrote: The facts have been out there for more than 20 years. Freely available since FIDO net days. And certainly in the internet era. And yet faith in the "truth" of government propaganda keeps the believers incurious. Damndest thing I ever saw. And once people join the hater faith you absolutely cannot reason with them. No amount of evidence will change their minds.
I am far less concerned with the "Government" propaganda than I am with the Legalizers propaganda. You aren't talking to someone who's even heard what the government says about drugs, you are talking to someone who has SEEN what narcotics do to people.
If it were a matter of the war between your propaganda and the "Governments" propaganda, you would have won a long time ago, because you have all these nifty charts, and studies, and expert testimony, and statistics, so you put on a really good show. The trouble is, I'm not being swayed by propaganda because I have witnessed first hand what happens to people who use drugs.
I personally knew young mothers who have died and left their children behind, just because they couldn't leave that shit alone. One of them was one of the most evil bitches I have ever met, while the other was quite kind hearted and friendly.
You guys who are quoting your "data" at me, simply don't understand that your data is in conflict with my real world experience. Experiment trumps theory. I don't care how pretty your theory is, if it's wrong, it's not the truth.
You mean we birth new generations of "cannon fodder."MSimon wrote:Very few minds remain supple after age 20 or 25."A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents die and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it." - Max Planck
This pretty much explains the change in sentiment re: legalization.
People with experience of the drug "culture" do not fear it. But we still have the long tail of people who were influenced in the reefer madness era. When enough of them die off the laws will change.
A criminal that will sell an illegal product has no compunction about selling it to children. As I have pointed out before that this is exactly the same mindset that homosexuals have also used regarding children.MSimon wrote: Twas ever thus. It takes about 50 years from the introduction of a "new" drug to society until the laws against it change. Probably 10 or 20 years longer these days since we live longer.
And no amount of pointing at the historical record (how alcohol prohibition increased the problems of child alcohol use for instance) changes any minds. Damndest thing I ever saw.