NIF: no ignition this year

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Ivy Matt
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NIF: no ignition this year

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http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/24/us/24bclivermore.html?_r=1

Tests at the National Ignition Facility have been delayed another six months, due largely to problems with the filters designed to capture tritium. It seems they have been capturing more than tritium. NIF scientist Doug Eddy is still confident they will achieve ignition next year.
Temperature, density, confinement time: pick any two.

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Too bad, I was hoping to read some resuts from them this year.

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Post by ladajo »

That is dangerous for them as well in these days of excitable emotional budgeteering. And NIF is no small target.

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You are right. Sometimes I tend to forget how much politics plays a role in research.

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Giorgio wrote:You are right. Sometimes I tend to forget how much politics plays a role in research.
But the actual purpose of NIF is testing bomb code. So NIF will be fine.

As for the earnest portrayal of NIF as some sort of prototype power reactor... that's some relatively inexpensive greenwashing and might even be left alone as well.

And some actual non-bomb fusion research should come out of it.

As I've said elsewhere: if inertial confinement can be made to work as a practical, economical power source the result will look almost exactly unlike the NIF.

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The way Polywell seems to be headed we may not hear anything from EMC2 either! :lol:

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Post by Joseph Chikva »

KitemanSA wrote:The way Polywell seems to be headed we may not hear anything from EMC2 either! :lol:
Listen dude, how in Japanese "the way Polywell" - Polywell-do? :)

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zapkitty wrote:But the actual purpose of NIF is testing bomb code. So NIF will be fine.
Dunno, Ladajo point is right. In times of budget axing there might be a good temptation to cut something from NIF too.

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And don't forget supercomputing and Moore's law are alive and well. Bomb analysis is a big part of funding for number crunchers. And the fickle finger of budgeteering sees progress in supercomputers...

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Joseph Chikva wrote:
KitemanSA wrote:The way Polywell seems to be headed we may not hear anything from EMC2 either! :lol:
Listen dude, how in Japanese "the way Polywell" - Polywell-do? :)
Hunh??? English translation please?

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KitemanSA wrote: Hunh??? English translation please?
-do, way or path

chado, the way of tea
judo, the gentle way
kendo, the way of the sword
bushido, the way of the warrior
polywelldo, the way of disappearing...

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:D

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Post by TallDave »

Sigh. Even if it ignites, it's still pretty worthless.
n*kBolt*Te = B**2/(2*mu0) and B^.25 loss scaling? Or not so much? Hopefully we'll know soon...

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Post by hanelyp »

NIIF should produce some interesting physics if it ever runs. Anything beyond that is doubtful.

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Post by Joseph Chikva »

hanelyp wrote:NIIF should produce some interesting physics if it ever runs. Anything beyond that is doubtful.
The efficiency of lasers is very low (~5%) requiring very high target’s amplifying factor. The target turns out complicated and therefore expensive.
And consequently if inertial confinement will ever capable to produce net power, that will be expensive.

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