10KW LENR demonstrator (new thread)

[icarus]

Rossi-Focardi replication results?

http://nextbigfuture.com/2011/10/dr-geo ... erson.html

http://energycatalyzer3.com/news/some-o ... replicated

skeptics feeling some excess heat yet?

[Giorgio]

skeptics feeling some excess heat yet?

Actually yes, I am drinking an hot Cappuccino at Starbuck and sure as hell I am feeling a lot of excess heat at the moment.

[icarus]

skeptics feeling some excess heat yet?

Actually yes, I am drinking an hot Cappuccino at Starbuck and sure as hell I am feeling a lot of excess heat at the moment.

So put you down in the "Espresso machine sceptics" coloumn?

[Joseph Chikva]

If I remember correctly, Rossi stated that most of the nickel could be recovered and reused. So, perhaps it would be best to hold off buying those futures.

Mr. White, if certain reaction is exothermic and releases some energy and some products, recovery process of those products to initial needs the same quantity of energy. If not taking into consideration efficiency of conversion that by definition is lower than 1 (100%). This follows from Energy Conservation Law.
Rossi lies very primitively. When he said that his device spends 10 kg of Ni and 18 kg of H2. This corresponds to reaction between 1 Ni nucleus with 105 protons. I do not know such type of reaction. You do?

[icarus]

If I remember correctly, Rossi stated that most of the nickel could be recovered and reused. So, perhaps it would be best to hold off buying those futures.

Mr. White, if certain reaction is exothermic and releases some energy and some products, recovery process of those products to initial needs the same quantity of energy. If not taking into consideration efficiency of conversion that by definition is lower 1 (100%). This follows from Energy Conservation Law.
Rossi is very lies very primitively. When he said that his device spends 10 kg of Ni and 18 kg of H2. This corresponds to reaction between 1 Ni nucleus with 105 protons. I do not know such type of reaction. You do?

There is a possibility that Rossi is simply referring to the consumed quantities, including losses in his devices that have nothing to do with the reaction balance, whatever that maybe. As an engineer would when specifying consumed quantities of fuel, oil, coolant for an IC engine, that have not much relation to calorimetric balances of the combustion process itself.

[Joseph Chikva]

So put you down in the "Espresso machine sceptics" coloumn?

No, simply he drinks coffee from time to time. And he is right as with tea, coffee, etc. we input in our body a lot of excess heat.

[Helius]

I think this is a fraud. Moreover I am sure it is. So, parallel, Crawdaddy - don't bother, if you've meant to.

I think I got an angle on this, and I must agree with Joseph Chikva here - Defkalion seem to support the fraud, here is how, IMHO:

First of all, you know what's going on in Greece? If you do not, go educate yourself. It's an economic and social mess, with a good possibility of MASSIVE EU money flowing in in the near future. Mind that.

Now suppose Defkalion has two kind of people - legit businessmen, having angles on people with money, familiar with governmental officials, who pull strings, etc. and the corrupted ones who side with our rejected genius. (To remind you, Italy and Greece are neighboring countries, both in EU - the crooks got to mix and know each other ).

Rossi finds Piantelli's device, he decides to hit the venture capitalists with a fashionable green-energy device. He then sides with Defkalion - they are to show (publicly) interest in his device, and to make people with money come to them; create an investment-supporting climate (since Rossi by himself is, how shall I put it, not credible enough). People with money give money to Defkalion, but obviously with caution, pending proof, but surely SOME amount has been invested.
Not a neglectable amount. People with political influence and money want to save their doomed country, make it a New Brave World pioneer. A Leader.

Next Rossi and Defkalion play a scene where they part with lots of noise and Rossi plays it going ballistic, while Defkalion behave like nothing really is happening - they are the respected part of the team, remember? Their R&D management, who is obviously part of the "Rossi's 13" ensures people-with-money
that everything is under control, that they got the secret from this crazy maniac and they don't need him at all. They are telling people-with-money that they are deep into R&D.

Rossi, meanwhile, continues to produce his proving-nothing demos, more and more obscuring the scene and making any technical analysis IMPOSSIBLE by definition, but creating PUBLICITY for the whole issue. Creating SUSPENCE. He also states he is about to start selling his reactor by him self.

Got it yet?!

The people-with-money, who invested in Defkalion are in panic! The money they invested is about to be wasted...

Enter Defkalion R&D scums: "Quick!", they say to the people-with-money "Rossi is about to sell his tech, you have to invest, we have to be first-to-market, or else this crazy Italian mofo, this theif, who stole the prototypes we developed(see their statement) will rob our beloved country of the gloriuos role of a Green-energy wordwide pioneer!!!". They release a statement, that looks as if they are about to sue Rossi and are about to fight for they product, and that they are cool. They are confident in their tech. Cause the people-with-money are watching.

---- The Happy Ending

In the near future, Rossi will state he finally got a customer, the deal is just about to be closed... Defkalion will push their investor to the limit of his fears, or his urge to save Greece. The money will go to Defkalion. It will be stolen (all at once, which is less likely, but possible, with the state of Greece economy and banks, or little by little, over the course of several months). Rossi's clients will change, but will always be on the verge of closing the deal, to keep Defkalion investors nervous and willing to push the development further and faster.

That's it. Rossi will get his share, to pay his debts from the PetrolDragon affair. Defkalion scums will get the major share. Greece will get the EU dismantled, because any investmnet in that country will probably be eaten by similar affairs and even if all the Germans work 25 hours a day, they won't be able to save Greece from it's own people.

Don't bother refuting all the above. It's just a story I dreamed. Wait and see.

I think you're absolutely right in general; The details don't matter.

Hookers with buzz make a fortune more money than the obscure street walkers in the shadows. The trick is to create the buzz, and Rosi and Defkalion have that trick in spades. Many Investor "johns", will show up, cash in hand.

All Rossi does is generate buzz among the really stupid. Nowhere in all these threads can any of this be characterized as good science, engineering, or business. Moron to thief cash flows aren't as old as hooking, but really old nevertheless.

[Helius]

Rossi-Focardi replication results?

http://nextbigfuture.com/2011/10/dr-geo ... erson.html

http://energycatalyzer3.com/news/some-o ... replicated

skeptics feeling some excess heat yet?

Why? Rossi's activities take advantage of actual science performed by others; That doesn't mean he is doing any worthy Science, Engineering or Business *himself*.

[Joseph Chikva]

As an engineer would when specifying consumed quantities of fuel, oil, coolant for an IC engine, that have not much relation to calorimetric balances of the combustion process itself.

Calorimetric balance & efficiency of energy conversion cycles, if fuel together with products not emitted into environment and remain in reaction zone you are wrong.

[icarus]

As an engineer would when specifying consumed quantities of fuel, oil, coolant for an IC engine, that have not much relation to calorimetric balances of the combustion process itself.

Calorimetric balance & efficiency of energy conversion cycles, if fuel together with products not emitted into environment and remain in reaction zone you are wrong.

I'm merely saying you maybe mistakenly back-fitting an academic question onto a practical answer.

Wouldn't be the first time an academic got the wrong end of the schtick.

Edit: I like Rossi's style ... while the academics could have pedantically argued over his model experiment for decades, he went ahead and built a Mack Truck ... argue with that. Way to shut them up (if it works).

[Joseph Chikva]

I'm merely saying you maybe mistakenly back-fitting an academic question onto a practical answer.

Wouldn't be the first time an academic got the wrong end of the schtick.

I am first of all an engineer and see many wrong assertions not corresponding with well-known laws of nature. For example Mr. White said something contradicted with Energy Conservation Law. Consumption of 10kg Ni and 18kg H2 is nonsense too. Where that hydrogen goes. Loses?
As I understand Rossi periodically charges his reactor. So consumption of reactants may be estimated by splitting of remaining quantity from reaction products after opening.

[icarus]

I'm merely saying you maybe mistakenly back-fitting an academic question onto a practical answer.

Wouldn't be the first time an academic got the wrong end of the schtick.

I am first of all an engineer and see many wrong assertions not corresponding with well-known laws of nature. For example Mr. White said something contradicted with Energy Conservation Law. Consumption of 10kg Ni and 18kg H2 is nonsense too. Where that hydrogen goes. Loses?
As I understand Rossi periodically charges his reactor. So consumption of reactants may be estimated by splitting of remaining quantity from reaction products after opening.

That's pretty arrogant, you think you know all the "Laws of Nature" do you?

[icarus]

Here's Focardi, he should know if it is a scam or not and what is inside it, etc, etc ... this guy just does not strike me as a fraud ... maybe I'm a terrible judge of character.

http://www.youtube.com/v/2cOEHQmnG-I&hl ... r_embedded

[Joseph Chikva]

That's pretty arrogant, you think you know all the "Laws of Nature" do you?

At least the Energy Conservation Law. That is very basic for your note.

[tomclarke]

As an engineer would when specifying consumed quantities of fuel, oil, coolant for an IC engine, that have not much relation to calorimetric balances of the combustion process itself.

Calorimetric balance & efficiency of energy conversion cycles, if fuel together with products not emitted into environment and remain in reaction zone you are wrong.

I'm merely saying you maybe mistakenly back-fitting an academic question onto a practical answer.

Wouldn't be the first time an academic got the wrong end of the schtick.

Edit: I like Rossi's style ... while the academics could have pedantically argued over his model experiment for decades, he went ahead and built a Mack Truck ... argue with that. Way to shut them up (if it works).

That is precisely why many don't like his style. Instead of keeping his head down, or demonstrtaing working truck, he demonstrates a truck which cannot actually move but claims it is working. Not very practical. Or truthful.