Please, Try to Make a Lovely Peaceful World

[choff]

Asian, on a more practical note, if you or any family,friends or Iranian polywellers are currently living within the blast radius of any fission weapons sites as identified in the western media, you may want to get some distance from these places right now! It's not a question of whether or not you believe your country is producing an A bomb, rather, its whether the Israeli's believe it.

If they believe you have a bomb factory underneath a mountain, then they'll probably conclude the only way to take it out is with nuclear warheads, and more than one. If they decide they can't take it out even with nuclear warheads, then they might end up using the old Bomber Harris strategy.

He was the British head of bomber command during WW2, he used to chide the American air force generals by saying "You're going to bomb a German factory and it will take them 6 weeks to replace it. I'm going to bomb the factory workers while they sleep and it will take 20 years to replace them." (Harris got his start in the military dropping poison gas on Iraqi's in the 1920's.)

Modern warfare isn't about who's right or wrong or who has the moral high ground, it's purely about who lives and who dies. With nuclear weapons the survivors envy the dead. There are two military terms you might want to look up. SNAFU and FUBAR.

[choff]

On other matters, it's my suspicion that God is a secular humanist. Another thing, Sun Tzu and Von Clausewitz were landlubbers.

[GIThruster]

It's not a question of whether or not you believe your country is producing an A bomb, rather, its whether the Israeli's believe it.

If the US were to lead an attack, we could use bunker busters dropped by B2's. Since we're not going to be involved, Israel will likely have to go after the workers, and there's some question whether they'd be successful. Iran knows Israel won't use a nuke so the only way they can stop them is to kill the workers. They're likely sleeping underground like animals.

Truthfully, the only nation that can stop the madness in Iran is the US, and with this president you can be assured, that won't happen.

[choff]

I'll tell a little story to illustrate that truth is the first casualty of war. I remember reading a book called "As they see us." It consisted of a collection of interviews of Americans about what they thought of Canadians. One opinion was given by an American veteran. He said of Canadians, "Tough buggers." He claimed during the war he asked a Canadian soldier what happened to the German prisoners the Canadian troops were in charge of and was told, "they must have all got lost." The American veterans assessment was the Canadian troops had shot them all.
I didn't put too much stock in the story until some years later. My old landlady at the time volunteered to me, that during the war soldiers had told her that they shot large numbers of German prisoners because they didn't have the trucks to haul them away.
She used to tell me the paratroops would machine gun their own officers when they got hung up in a tree, because they were so tough on them. Then they would use wire cutters to cut the finger off and steal the wedding band. They stole wedding rings from dead German soldiers the same way.
It's all hearsay, but it's definitely not the official remembrance day version either. The bottom line is that war is a savage brutal business, the Geneva Convention probably doesn't help matters either. It only encourages people to think war can be conducted in a civilized manner. Once the shooting starts evil rules.

[ScottL]

Please deliver the killer.

*link removed to not make the window huge*

Aslan, the person in that article wasn't the killer. Matter of fact the person in the article is the person on the film applying pressure to her gunshot wound. Why would they call the person applying pressure to her wound and trying to save her, the killer?

[Betruger]

Diogenes; the most of Talk-polywell members are opposed to my all comments. You did not disagree with some of my comments. Thank you.

Somtimes there are "All" against one..............

I'm not opposed to you pointing out how my dissentful comments are mistaken. In fact I'm curious to see you refute them. I'd be glad to be proven wrong; likewise everyone else, I'm sure, is only after the truth and not after opposing your comments for the sake of it.

Less nice response could be... The above quote is nothing less than an appeal to emotion fallacy. And you've mostly dodged straight giving straight answers to questions. Even what you link to is not argued, but just linked to. As if other people, newswriters, were your voice. Like Ladajo says - an apparent lack of individualism.

[Skipjack]

I'll tell a little story to illustrate that truth is the first casualty of war. I remember reading a book called "As they see us." It consisted of a collection of interviews of Americans about what they thought of Canadians. One opinion was given by an American veteran. He said of Canadians, "Tough buggers." He claimed during the war he asked a Canadian soldier what happened to the German prisoners the Canadian troops were in charge of and was told, "they must have all got lost." The American veterans assessment was the Canadian troops had shot them all.
I didn't put too much stock in the story until some years later. My old landlady at the time volunteered to me, that during the war soldiers had told her that they shot large numbers of German prisoners because they didn't have the trucks to haul them away.
She used to tell me the paratroops would machine gun their own officers when they got hung up in a tree, because they were so tough on them. Then they would use wire cutters to cut the finger off and steal the wedding band. They stole wedding rings from dead German soldiers the same way.
It's all hearsay, but it's definitely not the official remembrance day version either. The bottom line is that war is a savage brutal business, the Geneva Convention probably doesn't help matters either. It only encourages people to think war can be conducted in a civilized manner. Once the shooting starts evil rules.

This is really strange.
I can strongly recommend "The golden horseshoe" by Terence Robertson. The submariners on this board might enjoy it particularly.
Anyway, the later chapters of this book paint a very different picture of the Canadians and their relationship to their German prisoners during WW2. I found this book very enterntaining and well researched and written.

[ladajo]

Thanks, I'll check it out.

[choff]

In Normandy, in the British sector against the SS it could be no prisoners. As I said, its hearsay, I was just talking to an old landlady who new guys back from the front. She didn't want to believe it, but they told her to.

[ladajo]

Take a look at the Hard and Professional leaders of Iran's military who will smash anyone that attacks Iran.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/11/10 ... latestnews

Talk about a line up of fat dudes living soft lives...made me giggle.

[MSimon]

It's not a question of whether or not you believe your country is producing an A bomb, rather, its whether the Israeli's believe it.

If the US were to lead an attack, we could use bunker busters dropped by B2's. Since we're not going to be involved, Israel will likely have to go after the workers, and there's some question whether they'd be successful. Iran knows Israel won't use a nuke so the only way they can stop them is to kill the workers. They're likely sleeping underground like animals.

Truthfully, the only nation that can stop the madness in Iran is the US, and with this president you can be assured, that won't happen.

The First Mate and I were discussing this today. The Israelis will do what ever they are going to do in an untraceable way. In any case they only need to set the program back a few years. And then this will kick in:

http://powerandcontrol.blogspot.com/200 ... tlook.html

Polywell could come to the rescue. But the timeline outlined here is way too slow to fend off disaster.

I feel really sorry for the people of Persia. They overthrew the oppressive Shah and got oppression 10X worse.

[MSimon]

Aslan,

I have fixed your long urls. It is annoying and wastes the moderators time.

In the future if you can't figure out how to post long urls without messing up the page formatting I'm just going to delete the long urls.

Simon the Moderator

Here is how using round brackets in place of the required square ones:

(url=http://.......)this is the way to do it(/url)

[MSimon]

But, Neda Agha-Soltan has been killed by Mojahedine-Khalgh. It is a terrorist group that was supported by Israel and US. "well documented"

Aslan, you are the perfect product of your society, and a good example of
why Iran cannot be trusted.

You have been taught never to object your leader words.
You have been taught never to ask questions.
You have been taught never to think with your brain.

Thank you for posting on this board, your posts have been and will be a
good reminder to everyone that freedom must always be defended from
oligarchic and totalitarian government like the Iranian one.

But I am sad for you.
You are not living your life and you will never will, but I guess you do not care, after all this is what "islam" means.

A good example of police misbehaving in America. There are others. What is different is that we have the Right to post and talk about it.

http://classicalvalues.com/2011/11/the- ... he-police/

here is another page of protests against the police:

http://reason.com/blog/2011/11/08/the-m ... s-more-tha

Look at the long disagreement between a police officer and a former Army officer in the above thread.

and another

http://reason.com/blog/2011/11/10/strai ... t-occupy-b

Bad stuff happens in America. But we are able to discuss it without fear of a knock at the door at 3 AM.

[MSimon]

Leave them alone. They are robbing and raping themselves. Let it continue. Their support will evaporate.

I take it the idea of winning by doing nothing offends your sensibilities.

Sun Tzu:

Hence to fight and conquer in all your battles is not supreme excellence; supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy's resistance without fighting.

http://suntzusaid.com/book/3

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Self discipline (not being ruled by emotions) is the key to economy of force.

Now Simon, you've known me long enough to realize I sometimes say stuff to provoke a reaction. It is one of my dark humor traits. I find it quite entertaining to tweak some opposition noses from time to time. Sending them into a froth is not only fun, but their over-reaction to being spoken to in such a way is engendered to produce exactly the sort of effect of which Sun Tzu would be proud.

:)

Yes. But you have to be very careful that idiots don't take up your false flag and run with it. The results could be most unfortunate for all concerned.

Or use your words against you.

http://classicalvalues.com/2011/11/the- ... he-police/

[Aslan]

Aslan, you are the perfect product of your society, and a good example of
why Iran cannot be trusted.

You have been taught never to object your leader words.
You have been taught never to ask questions.
You have been taught never to think with your brain.

Thank you for posting on this board, your posts have been and will be a
good reminder to everyone that freedom must always be defended from
oligarchic and totalitarian government like the Iranian one.

But .
You are not living your life and you will never will, but I guess you do not care, after all this is what "islam" means.

May be my leaders, make mistakes somtimes. It's very usual in all over the world.

But:

My leaders never do rape.
My leaders never do not commit adultery.
My leaders never betray his wife.
They are not racist.
They do not kill Palestinian women and children.
They do not oppress the oppressed people of the world.
They do not start any wars.
They do not plunder Iraq's oil.
They do not steal mine in Afghanistan.
They never do prejudice, then they never do preemptive attacks.

Compared with the leaders of Israel and America, my leaders are so sacred and so noble.

I do not expect you anything, who unreasonably support the adulterous leaders.

I am so sad for you.