GIThruster wrote:I answered your question. It's a foolish question to ask that has no direct answer because of the way you phrased it, and we all know you phrased it the way you did to support your obsession. Persecuting anyone based upon habits one doesn't like, depends entirely upon the habits. When their habits are things like drug addiction, and all the lying, cheating, stealing, murder and other morally reprehensible and mutually destructive things that go along with, then it's easy to support persecution of such people on any/all theory of justice.
Druggies need to be persecuted because they take actions that require reciprocity by the theory of retributive justice. Druggies need to be persecuted because they are violating the law of the land and hence our social contracts. Druggies need to be persecuted because incarcerating them reduces crime of all sorts, in support of utilitarian justice. Etc. ad nauseam.
Ah. So mr universal morality you favor persecuting people who use drugs you don't like. I get it.
Your morality is a sham . The tyrants will "because I say so" is your morality.
I knew you wouldn't answer the question because you did not like your own answer. It exposes the vacuity of your morality. You are just another Marxist Elite. Your love is Power and Control. And you pretend you are not just another type of Cultural Marxist because you claim Christianity. You might want to look into your own soul (assuming the Devil doesn't wholly own it) to find the source of your spiritual waywardness.
The Devil's Greatest Trick - Making you a slave to your fears.
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What people generally focus on is the Devil’s exploitation of desire. But that is one of his least significant tools. If you want people to be evil to the bone exploit their fears.
Support across the state is already high for the legalization of marijuana with a recent Rasmussen report showing 61% of polled voters favoring the concept. If this legislation passes in Colorado, it could the first or one of the first states to end marijuana prohibition...
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MSimon wrote:
Ah. So mr universal morality you favor persecuting people who use drugs you don't like. I get it.
Really, I don't think you do. I favor incarcerating people who use illegal drugs because they are by definition, criminals; and because their actions are directly and indirectly responsible for untold human suffering.
"Courage is not just a virtue, but the form of every virtue at the testing point." C. S. Lewis
MSimon wrote:
Ah. So mr universal morality you favor persecuting people who use drugs you don't like. I get it.
Really, I don't think you do. I favor incarcerating people who use illegal drugs because they are by definition, criminals; and because their actions are directly and indirectly responsible for untold human suffering.
Before 1937 and going back hundreds of years they didn't used to be. In fact cannabis was listed in the US Pharmacopeia until it was made illegal.
But I get it - you side with tyrants and against people who need the medicine.
"Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual." -- Thomas Jefferson
Well not to worry. Legalization is coming and it will discredit your morality and Christianity as well. Enjoy your "triumph" while you can. I intend to make sure it leads to the destruction of all you stand for. What will replace it? Difficult to say. If it gives the communists a new lease on life - so be it.
Though the heavens fall let justice be done. And anyone who knows about alcohol prohibition knows - that although legal - it was a great injustice.
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I think the only real ethical case against drug use is in the cases where a person essentially becomes debilitated or incapacitated by it which puts an obligation on those around them to support them. However, the problem I see is that incarcerating a person seems to have a more debilitating effect then the drug use itself. If the purpose is to minimize the average burden on society it seems like a pretty dumb solution.
Like I said, the best argument for cannabis to be illegal is the life of Simon. Here we have this guy who is incredibly brilliant, and yet couldn't finish school, because he's a druggie. He got himself sub-standard work in his field of choice, and couldn't keep his job because he's a druggie. He's living off the dole for 12 years, and spending his life posting like a psychotic, because he's a druggie.
Now imagine the life of Simon without the influence of drugs at all. Who here thinks he couldn't have finished school? Who thinks he would not have found an excellent job and progressed over the years in a rewarding career, doing exciting work and contributing to society instead of collecting money to stay at home and smoke dope?
It doesn't take much imagination to know Simon would have been far better off, and all those around him as well, without the drugs.
"Courage is not just a virtue, but the form of every virtue at the testing point." C. S. Lewis
GIThruster wrote:Like I said, the best argument for cannabis to be illegal is the life of Simon. Here we have this guy who is incredibly brilliant, and yet couldn't finish school, because he's a druggie. He got himself sub-standard work in his field of choice, and couldn't keep his job because he's a druggie. He's living off the dole for 12 years, and spending his life posting like a psychotic, because he's a druggie.
Now imagine the life of Simon without the influence of drugs at all. Who here thinks he couldn't have finished school? Who thinks he would not have found an excellent job and progressed over the years in a rewarding career, doing exciting work and contributing to society instead of collecting money to stay at home and smoke dope?
It doesn't take much imagination to know Simon would have been far better off, and all those around him as well, without the drugs.
But I hated school. I do much better learning on my own. What advantage did that give me? I do very well in uncharted territory. In fact uncharted territory (R&D) is my specialty.
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kcdodd wrote:I think the only real ethical case against drug use is in the cases where a person essentially becomes debilitated or incapacitated by it which puts an obligation on those around them to support them. However, the problem I see is that incarcerating a person seems to have a more debilitating effect then the drug use itself. If the purpose is to minimize the average burden on society it seems like a pretty dumb solution.
Well why aren't we after alcohol then. Lots of debilitated alcoholics out there.
GIThruster wrote:Like I said, the best argument for cannabis to be illegal is the life of Simon. Here we have this guy who is incredibly brilliant, and yet couldn't finish school, because he's a druggie. He got himself sub-standard work in his field of choice, and couldn't keep his job because he's a druggie. He's living off the dole for 12 years, and spending his life posting like a psychotic, because he's a druggie.
Now imagine the life of Simon without the influence of drugs at all. Who here thinks he couldn't have finished school? Who thinks he would not have found an excellent job and progressed over the years in a rewarding career, doing exciting work and contributing to society instead of collecting money to stay at home and smoke dope?
It doesn't take much imagination to know Simon would have been far better off, and all those around him as well, without the drugs.
But I hated school. I do much better learning on my own. What advantage did that give me? I do very well in uncharted territory. In fact uncharted territory (R&D) is my specialty.
In fact being interested and good in uncharted territory is how I made Polywell refunding happen. With nothing but my brain, a lot of time on my hands, and a computer. Ever try doing that on drugs? Or off them?
I have.
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I can't tell you how many times over how many years I've heard such excuses about why a person didn't finish school, and EVERY time it was from someone who used drugs. Every single time, the person had some lame-ass excuse why they were a failure, instead of simply admitting they should have finished school.
And that's what you want for the masses? And you want to pretend that's the moral position?
"Courage is not just a virtue, but the form of every virtue at the testing point." C. S. Lewis
In October, 50 percent of Americans said "yes" when asked by Gallup, "Do you think the use of marijuana should be made legal, or not?" When Gallup asked that in 1969, 12 percent said yes.
Last week, a Rasmussen Reports survey said 56 percent of likely U.S. voters favored legalizing and regulating marijuana.
Supporters of legalization also argue that regulating marijuana - and capturing tax revenue from its sale - could help governments, cities and towns face increasingly tight budgets.
In 2011, taxes for medical marijuana generated $5 million for Colorado. Denver-based political strategist Rick Ridder said that depending upon the cost of an ounce, legalization would likely generate $20 million to $80 million in annual tax revenue for Colorado and local communities.
And GIT I suppose you would be outraged if anyone violated ObamaCare. After all the Supreme Court gave its stamp of approval.
And then there are the three felonies a day it is estimated that every American commits because of all the laws. Have you looked them all up to be sure you are in compliance? Why not? Its the law. You do believe in complying with the law don't you? If you find you have violated one of them I'm hoping you will set an example for all of us and turn yourself in.
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