Who's gonna win?

[MSimon]

Our current problem is that the socialist mind set is dominant. That is true with the left which believes government can make us prosper and the right which believes government can make us moral. That covers about 90% of the people in America today. And the two sides continually reinforce each other.

They used to be united under the Progressive banner. They now operate "independently". The end result is a government straight jacket.

My belief (and it is nothing more than that at this point) is that if I can break the hold of the moral socialists the economic socialists will then follow (the moral socialist's revenge). We shall see. My plan for breaking the moral socialists is coming along nicely.

[paperburn1]

The intent of the video was to show that the current system forces to choose the lesser of two evils , not the best candidate for the job. or in your case by by displaying your dissatisfaction contributing to the process. Still not a desirable outcome.

[MSimon]

The intent of the video was to show that the current system forces to choose the lesser of two evils , not the best candidate for the job. or in your case by by displaying your dissatisfaction contributing to the process. Still not a desirable outcome.

What ever the system unless your party wins you will be getting what you don't want. And even if your party wins they will be making deals diluting the win.

I prefer that the deals be made before the election.

Thus I prefer our two party system.

[paperburn1]

The intent of the video was to show that the current system forces to choose the lesser of two evils , not the best candidate for the job. or in your case by by displaying your dissatisfaction contributing to the process. Still not a desirable outcome.

What ever the system unless your party wins you will be getting what you don't want. And even if your party wins they will be making deals diluting the win.

I prefer that the deals be made before the election.

Thus I prefer our two party system.

Unfortunately even if my party wins I still will not be getting what I want. The system is rapidly losing its ability to legislate without outside influence dominating the process.

[MSimon]

The intent of the video was to show that the current system forces to choose the lesser of two evils , not the best candidate for the job. or in your case by by displaying your dissatisfaction contributing to the process. Still not a desirable outcome.

What ever the system unless your party wins you will be getting what you don't want. And even if your party wins they will be making deals diluting the win.

I prefer that the deals be made before the election.

Thus I prefer our two party system.

Unfortunately even if my party wins I still will not be getting what I want. The system is rapidly losing its ability to legislate without outside influence dominating the process.

Well there is that isn't there.

I think the problem generally has two parts.

1. A general lack of ethics
2. A forgetfulness that the essence of government is putting a gun to someone's head with the command "...or else"

I'm against the gun to the head. But 90% of Americans favor it as long as it is "those people's heads" forgetting that it sets precedent and eventually they will be one of "those people".

As I said - socialism is rampant in America. Self reliance just an echo.

[hanelyp]

You mistake my intent. I'm not hoping for a win for my candidate and I wouldn't change our system. It insures a certain amount of stability and it makes the parties govern towards the center.

I wish to register my dissatisfaction and indicate the direction I prefer.

Unfortunately, plurality elections work against you there.

[MSimon]

You mistake my intent. I'm not hoping for a win for my candidate and I wouldn't change our system. It insures a certain amount of stability and it makes the parties govern towards the center.

I wish to register my dissatisfaction and indicate the direction I prefer.

Unfortunately, plurality elections work against you there.

There is no perfect system.

I think that one of our biggest problems is that people think politicians are the problem. Or the political system.

The real problem is people. Most people are content if they can get a free lunch. Worse they aim for them. Envy is a bigger problem than greed. The other big one is "I know how you should run your life". When the beauty of liberty is that people can make their own decisions. What works for one may be a disaster for another.

I wouldn't recommend sex, drugs or insanity for everyone, but they've always worked for me. Hunter S. Thompson

[TDPerk]

I wouldn't recommend sex, drugs or insanity for everyone, but they've always worked for me. Hunter S. Thompson

Is he a good example for you, when he off'ed himself for no comprehensible reason in maybe the rudest possible way to his friends and family? Even by his own stated, err, bylaws for suicide, at best he seemed to have done so prematurely.

[hanelyp]

There is no perfect system.
...
The real problem is people. ...

True. But how best to deal with the situation needs to account for the system in effect. A better system wouldn't hurt. Plurality voting happens to be the worst of the simple methods for democratic elections, making it difficult to express dissatisfaction at the ballot box without throwing away your vote.

[MSimon]

I wouldn't recommend sex, drugs or insanity for everyone, but they've always worked for me. Hunter S. Thompson

Is he a good example for you, when he off'ed himself for no comprehensible reason in maybe the rudest possible way to his friends and family? Even by his own stated, err, bylaws for suicide, at best he seemed to have done so prematurely.

It was his life to dispose of as he wished.

[MSimon]

There is no perfect system.
...
The real problem is people. ...

True. But how best to deal with the situation needs to account for the system in effect. A better system wouldn't hurt. Plurality voting happens to be the worst of the simple methods for democratic elections, making it difficult to express dissatisfaction at the ballot box without throwing away your vote.

Every vote is thrown away in every system. Money rules. One major issue that is at the top of the dissatisfaction list gets dealt with from time to time as voting warrants.

I do not object to making ineffective (seemingly) protest votes. Palin got chosen in 2008 to stem the surge towards the Libertarians.

http://powerandcontrol.blogspot.com/200 ... palin.html

The politicians do pay attention to the electorate. Suits me.

[TDPerk]

It was his life to dispose of as he wished.

When did I dispute it? I asked if he was a good example for your purpose?

[palladin9479]

Palladin, you are a lefty hack and very silly, Obama's going down in massive flames.

Ahh typical "with me or against me" mentality.

I'm very careful about poll data, mostly cause it's not always accurate to actual election outcome. Most states it' doesn't matter if a candidate is 51% or 80% the results are the exact same. So it then boils down to exactly which states one person is up vs another with focus on states that tend to have mixed populations vs states that are dominated by a single party / population type. Republicans will ALWAYS vote Republican, Democrats will ALWAYS vote Democrat. Neither group "punishes" anyone, it's just a matter of one side attacking another side's power base two years or so prior to a major election.

I expect at least two if not three more "swings" in publicized poll data. The media outlets will manipulate the weight to create "up 3 points, down 5 points, up 4 points" for both candidates in an attempt to attract more attention from viewers.

Just watch, it happens every four years or so. We then do a ton of Monday night quarterbacking and forget that the same things said now were said every time previous.

My prediction is based on the democratic heavy / locked states vs the republican heavy / locked states. It puts Obama at a large lead in EC votes, he can afford to lose a few battle ground states and still win. Romney on the other hand needs to pickup the majority of the battle ground states to win. It's still possible for Romney to win, 51% is all that is needed in most states and there are several that are close between the two. It'll be down to the independents in those battle ground states to throw their weight one way or the other.

[MSimon]

It was his life to dispose of as he wished.

When did I dispute it? I asked if he was a good example for your purpose?

Excellent. He lived as pleased him and died when he chose. But he did give me some kind words once "like your writing" so I may be biased.

[MSimon]

Palladin, you are a lefty hack and very silly, Obama's going down in massive flames.

Ahh typical "with me or against me" mentality.

I'm very careful about poll data, mostly cause it's not always accurate to actual election outcome. Most states it' doesn't matter if a candidate is 51% or 80% the results are the exact same. So it then boils down to exactly which states one person is up vs another with focus on states that tend to have mixed populations vs states that are dominated by a single party / population type. Republicans will ALWAYS vote Republican, Democrats will ALWAYS vote Democrat. Neither group "punishes" anyone, it's just a matter of one side attacking another side's power base two years or so prior to a major election.

I expect at least two if not three more "swings" in publicized poll data. The media outlets will manipulate the weight to create "up 3 points, down 5 points, up 4 points" for both candidates in an attempt to attract more attention from viewers.

Just watch, it happens every four years or so. We then do a ton of Monday night quarterbacking and forget that the same things said now were said every time previous.

My prediction is based on the democratic heavy / locked states vs the republican heavy / locked states. It puts Obama at a large lead in EC votes, he can afford to lose a few battle ground states and still win. Romney on the other hand needs to pickup the majority of the battle ground states to win. It's still possible for Romney to win, 51% is all that is needed in most states and there are several that are close between the two. It'll be down to the independents in those battle ground states to throw their weight one way or the other.

Nice analysis.

Carter II