Time for Media Control.

KitemanSA · Post by **KitemanSA** » Sat Dec 22, 2012 3:06 am

paperburn1 wrote: I have to agree, on weekends iwork at a pawn shop sometimes helping out a friend and it can be very scary when a meth head comes in looking for quick cash for the next rock. You just don't know what they're doing or thinking of doing for their
next fix. Had one guy arrested for beating his mother in the parking lot because she wouldn't pawn her wedding ring so he could hook up

I was in a small Mom and Pop one evening when the news came that the police had just made a massive drug bust. The cashier said "oh no, now we are sure to get robbed." I asked what she meant and she told me that every time there was a major bust, the prices went very high and then addicts who had been bothering no one would have to find a way to get a lot more cash. She was mad at the police for making her life MORE dangerous. Sure nuff, within the week they were robbed. Thank you police!

paperburn1 · Post by **paperburn1** » Sat Dec 22, 2012 3:17 am

KitemanSA wrote:
paperburn1 wrote: I have to agree, on weekends iwork at a pawn shop sometimes helping out a friend and it can be very scary when a meth head comes in looking for quick cash for the next rock. You just don't know what they're doing or thinking of doing for their
next fix. Had one guy arrested for beating his mother in the parking lot because she wouldn't pawn her wedding ring so he could hook up
I was in a small Mom and Pop one evening when the news came that the police had just made a massive drug bust. The cashier said "oh no, now we are sure to get robbed." I asked what she meant and she told me that every time there was a major bust, the prices went very high and then addicts who had been bothering no one would have to find a way to get a lot more cash. She was mad at the police for making her life MORE dangerous. Sure nuff, within the week they were robbed. Thank you police!

so your blaming law enforcement!!!
http://www.unsolvedmysteries.com/usm5275.html
This is what happens to my best friend, meth head did it him

MSimon · Post by **MSimon** » Sat Dec 22, 2012 3:57 am

paperburn1 wrote:
KitemanSA wrote:
paperburn1 wrote: I have to agree, on weekends iwork at a pawn shop sometimes helping out a friend and it can be very scary when a meth head comes in looking for quick cash for the next rock. You just don't know what they're doing or thinking of doing for their
next fix. Had one guy arrested for beating his mother in the parking lot because she wouldn't pawn her wedding ring so he could hook up
I was in a small Mom and Pop one evening when the news came that the police had just made a massive drug bust. The cashier said "oh no, now we are sure to get robbed." I asked what she meant and she told me that every time there was a major bust, the prices went very high and then addicts who had been bothering no one would have to find a way to get a lot more cash. She was mad at the police for making her life MORE dangerous. Sure nuff, within the week they were robbed. Thank you police!
so your blaming law enforcement!!!
http://www.unsolvedmysteries.com/usm5275.html
This is what happens to my best friend, meth head did it him

I do blame law enforcement. They know how it works. After a whole gang take down in my small town the FBI told our local paper that murders would be increasing. The locals were not pleased. There has not been a whole gang take down in our area since (about '87). It is not for want of gangs.

Prohibition like communism is a failed ideology. It won't be long now.

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Yeah. We all have our stories. My brother was killed by gang bangers. I blame prohibition.

paperburn1 · Post by **paperburn1** » Sat Dec 22, 2012 4:09 am

Simon, you still have not figured it out. I call bulls!?? My parent live just down the road from you. I grew up there. Your busted again. Tell Steve hi.

MSimon · Post by **MSimon** » Sat Dec 22, 2012 4:19 am

MSimon's next point will be that if we made drugs legal, all of this behavior would go away. This argument demands a "leap of faith" that runs contrary to my own experience and contrary to previous efforts where such an idea was tried.

No leap of faith required. There is actual evidence.

Portugal Decriminalized All Drugs Eleven Years Ago And The Results Are Staggering

http://www.businessinsider.com/portugal ... rks-2012-7

On July 1st, 2001, Portugal decriminalized every imaginable drug, from marijuana, to cocaine, to heroin. Some thought Lisbon would become a drug tourist haven, others predicted usage rates among youths to surge.

Eleven years later, it turns out they were both wrong.

Fear is a beautiful thing. It incapacitates people. And it is self inflicted. A strange addiction indeed.

MSimon · Post by **MSimon** » Sat Dec 22, 2012 4:35 am

paperburn1 wrote:Simon, you still have not figured it out. I call bulls!?? My parent live just down the road from you. I grew up there. Your busted again. Tell Steve hi.

Care to tell me about the whole gang take down that has happened here since '87? Care to tell me I didn't read the comment by the FBI in the RRS?

I don't believe I know Steve.

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I was peripherally involved in the whole episode - my neighbor was the gang leader (I had no idea - but the Benzes in the parking lot should have been a clue.). The FBI/DEA/locals were outside my door and wouldn't tell me why.

So I followed the whole thing in the paper. Closely.

In fact if you do the research - whole gang takedowns are much rarer than they used to be. High murder rates make the police look bad. The police only go after the worst of the worst. Making them silently complicit.

It is interesting. This is probably what the waning days of communism looked like. Some true believers but most every one else cynical. And waiting for the collapse.

Prohibition is a failed ideology.

choff · Post by **choff** » Sat Dec 22, 2012 8:16 am

Since we're on this subject of drugs and fear, thought I'd add the news about Rudi Dekkers.

http://www.madcowprod.com/

MSimon · Post by **MSimon** » Sat Dec 22, 2012 12:41 pm

choff wrote:Since we're on this subject of drugs and fear, thought I'd add the news about Rudi Dekkers.

http://www.madcowprod.com/

From my study of that information I have come to the conclusion that it was a false flag operation. i.e. the "pilots" trained to run drugs for the CIA (or whoever) but were really training for 9/11.

My guess is that the agencies involved have come to the conclusion that such activities are an accident waiting to happen and will be slowly pulling their support from the drug war.

Note: Rolling Stone is running an article on: "The Next 7 States to Legalize"

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/ne ... t-20121218

Diogenes · Post by **Diogenes** » Sat Dec 22, 2012 6:19 pm

MSimon wrote:
Diogenes wrote:

As we would insist on using our collective government to fight an enemy army, so should we insist on using it to fight a threat which we regard as just as bad.

You just don't believe it to be a threat at all, and from my perspective you base this on your theorizing and your apparently very small (or no) experience with hard drugs. Those of us who have seen the threat up close are not convinced that it isn't a dire threat.
I rest my case.

And yes. There are other things besides drugs that Republicans like big government for. Controlling marriage say.

How is a court supposed to adjudicate inheritance without civil acknowledgement of a marriage contract?

Diogenes · Post by **Diogenes** » Sat Dec 22, 2012 6:29 pm

MSimon wrote:You cannot nanny state anything that people want. That is what we have learned from prohibition.

I'll wager your side has learned all sorts of things from Prohibition that do not happen to be true.

The 18th amendment was like a popped clutch. Of course the social engine was going to stall and backfire.

Your side simply says "See! I told you it was impossible to release that clutch! Had the prohibitionists pursued it the way tobacco is being handled (gradually, like a properly released clutch) , then it may very well have been successful.

I personally think that just regulating it better would have achieved all the goals of the prohibitionists without making such a mess of things. I am still in favor of better regulation of Alcohol, and I am not opposed to the regulation of Marijuana.

hanelyp · Post by **hanelyp** » Sat Dec 22, 2012 9:37 pm

Diogenes wrote:How is a court supposed to adjudicate inheritance without civil acknowledgement of a marriage contract?

I believe Wills work.

choff · Post by **choff** » Sat Dec 22, 2012 11:30 pm

MSimon wrote:
choff wrote:Since we're on this subject of drugs and fear, thought I'd add the news about Rudi Dekkers.

http://www.madcowprod.com/
From my study of that information I have come to the conclusion that it was a false flag operation. i.e. the "pilots" trained to run drugs for the CIA (or whoever) but were really training for 9/11.

My guess is that the agencies involved have come to the conclusion that such activities are an accident waiting to happen and will be slowly pulling their support from the drug war.

Note: Rolling Stone is running an article on: "The Next 7 States to Legalize"

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/ne ... t-20121218

They've been transferring responsibilities for drug smuggling from CIA subcontractors to NATO, so people don't have to worry about their own government being involved in illegal activities, that's what allies are for.

Diogenes · Post by **Diogenes** » Sun Dec 23, 2012 4:37 pm

MSimon wrote:
MSimon's next point will be that if we made drugs legal, all of this behavior would go away. This argument demands a "leap of faith" that runs contrary to my own experience and contrary to previous efforts where such an idea was tried.
No leap of faith required. There is actual evidence.

No there is not. There is Portugal's bankrupt socialist government proclaiming one of their ideas is a great success, but I don't count that as actual proof, especially when their claims are refuted by actual experts on the subject. No, you don't have any evidence of this, you have dozens of Libertarian groups (such as Cato) PROCLAIMING what a great success it was.

The ACTUAL evidence of how well these ideas work looks like this:

MSimon wrote: Fear is a beautiful thing. It incapacitates people. And it is self inflicted. A strange addiction indeed.

Yes, we needn't worry about an economic collapse from excessive printing and spending because that would just be fear, and we should never fear anything. There is a term for such people.

Diogenes · Post by **Diogenes** » Sun Dec 23, 2012 4:39 pm

hanelyp wrote:
Diogenes wrote:How is a court supposed to adjudicate inheritance without civil acknowledgement of a marriage contract?
I believe Wills work.

The need for court adjudication is unnecessary if a will is available, Ergo, we are not referring to such cases. Even so, the law Historically makes the wife a joint owner of property, regardless of what a will says. Would you overturn this long standing legal principle?

Diogenes · Post by **Diogenes** » Sun Dec 23, 2012 4:42 pm

MSimon wrote:
Prohibition is a failed ideology.

Except for what would happen if we didn't have it.

http://www.historywiz.com/downfall.htm